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To wonder what the govt has planned to punish those NOT on benefits?

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Glitterknickaz · 09/09/2011 16:41

News link

This is not the first time cutting benefits has been suggested as a punishment. How are the government proposing to punish parents who don't tackle truancy efficiently that aren't on benefits exactly? Just like the assertion that the rioters should lose benefits, yes because they were ALL on benefits weren't they? Hmm

Once again the government fuels the totally untrue daily mail esque belief that all of society's ills lie at the feet of benefits claimants. Apparently they are the root of all evil, eh? Hmm

Not one of the policies publicised has said what would happen to those who do not claim benefits.

Money designed for basic sustenance should not be removed imo. At the end of the day it is the children that will suffer from these measures.

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LadyOfTheManor · 09/09/2011 18:26

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meditrina · 09/09/2011 18:27

Here is one (of several links) which make it clear that the current proposals concern Child Benefit. The statement on fines continuing for non-CB families was made on BBC Breakfast this morning.

All DC said today was: "That?s why I have asked our social policy review to look into whether we should cut the benefits of those parents whose children constantly play truant". This was one sentence in several pages of the full transcript.

Other issues in that speech bother me far more than minor changes to how truants' families are fined. That battle was lost in 2004, TBH, when the current fines regime was introduced.

noddyholder · 09/09/2011 18:27

LOTM are you for real?

meditrina · 09/09/2011 18:28

Sorry - managed to miss out the first link I intended in my last. Here it is.

LineRunner · 09/09/2011 18:30

The current system is that any parent can be fined.

A parent on benefits still has to pay the fine, but the court usually gives them a payment schedule.

Presumably (?) Cameron can either circumvent the courts and have the school report the parent directly to the DWP for 'docking', or require the courts to dock benefits in their entirety for the time it takes to pay the whole fine. I can't see the former being legal; and the latter seems a recipe for disaster.

2shoes · 09/09/2011 18:30

LadyOfTheManor Fri 09-Sep-11 18:03:35
2shoes, they're not perks, they're a means to survive and they are put in place where plenty of other countries don't bother with them.

I don't understand the constant moaning about being supported...people ought to be thankful there is a system in place to support anyone should they ever fall short through disability or redundancy etc.

oh good you see they are not perks, yet you seem to think people should be grateful for them.
I shall tell my disabled child to be grateful, grateful for the money she gets

LineRunner · 09/09/2011 18:32

meditrina. Thanks for that - but I wonder why is Tory Spin Central still putting it out that 'benefits' in general will be docked?

tethersend · 09/09/2011 18:32

"You're not "entitled" to money, it's a privilege"

Err... no, you are entitled. That's sort of what 'entitled' means.

It's all getting a bit Victorian with the deserving/undeserving poor isn't it?

K999 · 09/09/2011 18:32

2shoes, according to LOTM, you probably aren't budgeting properly. Shock LOTM should come down from her ivory tower.....or put her DM down.

2shoes · 09/09/2011 18:35

K999 I know, I should have budgeted for a disabled child, the one the hospital damaged,,,,, silly me.

kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 18:38

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usualsuspect · 09/09/2011 18:40
Shock
aliceliddell · 09/09/2011 18:40

This whole thing is another example of undermining the welfare State and recasting rights as 'privileges' we're meant to be 'grateful' for, which can be rescinded if we are undeserving. Back to the Thirties.

tethersend · 09/09/2011 18:42

kidzrfreaky, if you want a real answer to your idiotic, spiteful question, then 'what would happen' is that a disabled child whose parents could not provide for them would be taken into care. Want to hazzard a guess as to how much that costs?

FFS.

noddyholder · 09/09/2011 18:44

this is getting out of hand

K999 · 09/09/2011 18:44

Jeez, this thread is unbelievable. The sheer ignorance and stupidity of some posters is incredible Shock

There for the grace go I.....

crazynanna · 09/09/2011 18:46

That was out of order kidzrfreaky.

kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 18:47

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kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 18:48

Ah but what if there were no care system? Would the parent still refuse to work to keep the child?

bullet234 · 09/09/2011 18:48

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Moominsarescary · 09/09/2011 18:49

What an idiot kidzarefreaky is , you should be bloody ashamed of yourself for that comment let's hope your children never have an accident or Illness that means you need to give up work to look after them, quite frankly I don't think you would be up to the job

noddyholder · 09/09/2011 18:50

Now this is a poster who really does need deleting or banning!

banana87 · 09/09/2011 18:51

Criminals shouldn't be on benefits. If they can't behave and respect society then society shouldn't support them. They can support themselves. Half the time they are choosing not to anyway.

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 18:52

KIDZ that comment is fucking stupid.

Back in the days of workhouses people still couldn't always get jobs else there would have been no fucking workhouses. Doh!!!

tethersend · 09/09/2011 18:54

"Back to the thirties is the right way to go IMO."

Read George Orwell's 'The Road to Wigan Pier' and come back and repeat your statement which is so absurd, one may even start to believe that you were trying to wind people up...

"Ah but what if there were no care system? Would the parent still refuse to work to keep the child?"

Take a trip to the Foundling Museum to see what used to happen to children -able bodied and disabled- before we had a care system.

You appear to know very little; I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, as nobody would appear to be that ignorant unless they were trying really, really hard.