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To wonder what the govt has planned to punish those NOT on benefits?

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Glitterknickaz · 09/09/2011 16:41

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This is not the first time cutting benefits has been suggested as a punishment. How are the government proposing to punish parents who don't tackle truancy efficiently that aren't on benefits exactly? Just like the assertion that the rioters should lose benefits, yes because they were ALL on benefits weren't they? Hmm

Once again the government fuels the totally untrue daily mail esque belief that all of society's ills lie at the feet of benefits claimants. Apparently they are the root of all evil, eh? Hmm

Not one of the policies publicised has said what would happen to those who do not claim benefits.

Money designed for basic sustenance should not be removed imo. At the end of the day it is the children that will suffer from these measures.

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crazynanna · 12/09/2011 11:31

Onagar that was so well put about tax payers' money.

Moominsarescary · 12/09/2011 11:41

maypole in this country the poorest people are living on the state, they maybe cushioned from living on the streets or cushioned from having no money at all but they are certainly not cushioned from living in poverty or knowing what it is to struggle

Poverty as we know it in this country anyway, in other country's poverty is a different matter and I for one am glad we have benefits

Moominsarescary · 12/09/2011 11:45

Yes well said onagar also unless youve saved an awful lot of money if you ever need nursing care that will come out of the pot too, a £300,000 house doesn't go that far when being used to pay for nursing care

SinicalSal · 12/09/2011 11:59

do you think a failure of compassion is a failure of intellect, in many ways? just a general point.

manicbmc · 12/09/2011 12:02

It's just a failure. Failure to engage brain before typing and clicking on 'Post Message'.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 12/09/2011 12:52

sal - I think you can be compassionate without being classically intelligent. But I think there is something particularly nasty about pretending that because you're (you believe) intelligent, you therefore don't need to be compassionate.

Kladdkaka · 12/09/2011 12:59

Really there are only a handful of bitter and twisted people who think the poor and disabled should be treated badly...

They're called tories.

CardyMow · 12/09/2011 13:10

Round of applause for Kladdkaka

CardyMow · 12/09/2011 13:10

Tories - put the 'N' into cuts.

maypole1 · 12/09/2011 13:19

Moominsarescary cushioned form getting a bloody job and from not having to think about the amount of kids they are having more

The poor and the disabled are two different things

One chooses not to work have how many children

The can't work because of medical issues

Bash the tories but to be honest the benefit cuts will go ahead

Thank the lord

All red ed groupies I am sure will be sending in your hard earned wages to aid those who are made to get off their arses (she very much doubts)
So they can sit at home for even longer

Their are people in their 30s who have never know work who are not sick or have a bad back

Evilclown · 12/09/2011 13:20

Ladyofthemanor

Is your PHD in Ignorance?

Only on mumsnet could a person who lives on inherited wealth make sweeping generalisations about benefit claimants. There is surely something ironic in that.

Come back when you have some life experience. Real life experience, living in the real world and even perhaps earning your own money.

Moominsarescary · 12/09/2011 13:30

Benefits may be slashed but the ones who will suffer are children, the disabled and the elderly not just those who don't want to work

I'm glad this idea seems to please you

AmberLeaf · 12/09/2011 13:42

Maypole1 You may have missed me asking you before, are you a foster carer?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/09/2011 13:46

Really there are only a handful of bitter and twisted people who think the poor and disabled should be treated badly...

They're called tories.

I personally don't think this comment is funny, nor the one about putting the 'n' in 'cuts'. You're taking a whole segment of the voting population and stating that they 'don't care'. Ignorance takes many forms it would seem. Confused

begonyabampot · 12/09/2011 13:46

TBH though, just because LOTM inherited her estate it doesn't mean that she is mega rich or has no money worries. If I recall she had to put the 1.5 million manor house on the market and was planning to move into the farmhouse. She's setting up a B+B and running a tea room and doing her writing. So I doubt she necessarily is rolling in it but is juggling lots of different things.

GossipWitch · 12/09/2011 13:54

The ones that just don't want to go to work are generally drug users and those that are constantly in and out of prison after robbing people, guess what!! the majority of these people are on jobseekers allowance or ESA.
Did you also know that 57% of single parents (who all you tory backers hate so much) are in work!! please stop bashing single parents or parents to children that are special needs they are not the scum of the earth !! try turning your heads to the tens of thousands of heroin addicts in this country, who would happily rob you granny to get there next hit, not the single mother who tries to sell some of her jewellery to pay for her kids birthday presents, because their father has walked out and left her in debt !

GossipWitch · 12/09/2011 13:54

This thread really winds me up, sorry.

Whatmeworry · 12/09/2011 13:57

Fundamental issue is UK Govmnt is spending more than it earns, has been for quite a while and can't continue, so some things will have to be cut amd the easy targets (defence, development etc) are tiny compared to benefits, health and education.

Whether cut are quick or slow, it has to happen on way or another. There is waste, but no doubt some will stay and some really useful stuff will also go due to poiltics/incompetence etc.

What is totally wrong though is the Government is not taking enough off the extremely wealthy (and the banks) so there is no feeling of "being in it together)

All IMO of course.......

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/09/2011 14:00

YY Whatmeworry... It seems to be what every government we've had has done. It's party-neutral though and each government promises to be 'different' and each one has to clean up whatever the previous government did.

Priorities are always in the wrong place it seems.

Kladdkaka · 12/09/2011 14:19

I personally don't think this comment is funny, nor the one about putting the 'n' in 'cuts'. You're taking a whole segment of the voting population and stating that they 'don't care'. Ignorance takes many forms it would seem.

I sorry but I don't think they do care. If they did, they wouldn't be making cuts to desperately needed services for the most vulnerable members of society. My frail, elderly disabled father who served his country in the armed forces and paid taxes his whole working life has had his hospital transport cut, his once a week day centre shut down, his carers reduced to just getting him up and putting him to bed and then they don't come till midday, his district nurse visits reduced and that's not even looking at the cuts to benefits which are lurking somewhere.

aliceliddell · 12/09/2011 14:28

Kladdkaka you are sadly correct. Caring with no substance to it, pure sentimentality. And patronising

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/09/2011 14:29

Did Labour not make any cuts, then Kladdkaka? Spend money unncessarily when it could have been better spent on the issues you've outlined?

It just seems a rum deal to me that there are so many posters on AIBU at the moment, jumping up and down about inappropriate terms and generalisations and insulting groups of people.... and here on this thread is the very same thing.

pippilongsmurfing · 12/09/2011 14:32

The ones that just don't want to go to work are generally drug users and those that are constantly in and out of prison after robbing people, guess what!! the majority of these people are on jobseekers allowance or ESA.
try turning your heads to the tens of thousands of heroin addicts in this country, who would happily rob you granny to get there next hit

Firstly, gossipwitch, how do you know this? Is it a fact?

Secondly, ill-informed people are bashing single mothers as being benefit scroungers. That doesn't mean it's ok for the single mothers to go and do the exact same thing to another marginalised group of society.

Whilst I am certian there are drug addicts who do steal to fund their drug habit, it does not mean they all do, and I would bet 99.9% of them would love not to be a drug addict, it's hardly a glamorous lifestyle.

You are complaining about people "bashing" single mothers when they neither are a single mother or know anything of their circumstances and then you go and make Daily Fail type "granny robber" type comments.

Hardly makes you any better than the people you are complaining about!

PublicHair · 12/09/2011 14:33

gossipwitch, why are you all looking down to bash people you consider to be 'below you' look up, and see who's really getting away with the silver while the rest of you are begrudging £65 a week...

there's an old joke, a daily mail reader, a banker and a benefits claimant are having a cup of tea together, the banker takes 11 of the 12 biscuits on the plate and leans over to the daily mail reader and says 'you wanna watch that benefit claimant-he's after your biscuit'

pippilongsmurfing · 12/09/2011 14:35

PublicHair, that is what I was trying to say. Not very eloquently!

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