To wonder what the govt has planned to punish those NOT on benefits?

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This is not the first time cutting benefits has been suggested as a punishment. How are the government proposing to punish parents who don't tackle truancy efficiently that aren't on benefits exactly? Just like the assertion that the rioters should lose benefits, yes because they were ALL on benefits weren't they?

Once again the government fuels the totally untrue daily mail esque belief that all of society's ills lie at the feet of benefits claimants. Apparently they are the root of all evil, eh?

Not one of the policies publicised has said what would happen to those who do not claim benefits.

Money designed for basic sustenance should not be removed imo. At the end of the day it is the children that will suffer from these measures.

K999 You had (and have) compassion, I think you mean.

YES, I class myself as a person with a disability.

Loudlass, my posts have referred to the majority of people who haven't paid into the pot, not those receiving "top ups".

Drink wine, gamble, smoke...do as you (those on benefits full time, not you personally) wish, just don't expect other tax payers to foot the bill, then come around crying that you can't afford new school shoes for your dc come September.

That's indeed what I mean!! Bloody iPad...

Despite causing offence (and not meaning to) I'll rephrase;

I presume you have retrained in something that those with those particular disabilities can do?

Haven't we done this one already? Only I have to go out and get hideously drunk in a bit.

But they are ALL still 'benefits', LOTM. Out of the same 'pot' of tax money. I AM on benefits full time. Tax credits are still benefits. And due to my childcare costs - I will be receiving MORE benefits while I am working than I did when I wasn't.

"And can I also add that sometimes these 'luxuries' are essential to parents. ....get some "me time" and a laugh."

This has made me livid
How about the rest of us who don't get a penny in benefits and can only scrape by, not even affording food sometimes?
Where the hell are our luxuires? Who should I expect to fund my "luxuries" then? Can you?

I would love a holiday

I'd love to live in your world LOTM. All education is equal and there are no social factors involved and employment is available for all those who want it and there is no disability discrimination.

On the plus side, if you're 24, you have time to grow up.

Are YOU going to pay my course costs and childcare for when I am at college? NO? Then exactly HOW do you propose I fund that, when I get NO reduction in course fees?

"How on earth do people survive in the countries that don't have a spoon feeding system?"

Do you really need us to answer this for you??

"Well with no job to get up for in the morning I presume lots of people will be."

How do you know I don't have to get up tomorrow?

I'm frigging 25 for one.

THere are ALWAYS threads on here going on about how state and public schools are equal and are both great and both churn out such excellent species of humans.

Chop,chop LOTM, the gin won't drink itself.

I have to sit in the park hurling abuse at passers-by at six.

Tether, I meant the "lots of people" I referred to.

Oooh, oohh, is your PhD in pedagogy?

Well, I for one will have a good few glasses of wine tonight and will also be getting up for work in the morning. Cos I'm hard.....

I think we're suppose to have a fight in the bandstand at 7, K999. Get a move on.

No it's not.

Don't worry. One year won' make that much of a difference

How on earth do people survive in the countries that don't have a spoon feeding system?

from a woman who was born with a silver spoon in her mouth...
oh the irony

at MarginallyNarkyPuffin. I was younger than LOTM when my DD was diagnosed with asd. I was younger than LOTM when I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I am now only 30. I did not have such a biased, uncaring view of the world even at 20.

I had seen the difference that having money can do. In one of my foster homes, I was sent to the local sink school while the FC's dc were sent to private school. The quality of education they received was VASTLY better than mine.

I do not begrudge anyone when they have inherited money etc, I just accept that they were LUCKY and PRIVELIGED to be born into that situation. I accept that I was not so lucky or priveliged, and I try to make the best of the life I have been given.

I just find it SHOCKING that someone in such a priveliged, wealthy position, can make such sweeping generalisations about a whole section of society, when they claim to be educated up to a very high level, surely before making such sweeping generalisations, LOTM should spend a month living in the shoes of those people she seems to look down on. My standard of education was nowhere near as high as LOTM's, yet I accept that there are all sorts of reasons why people might be on benefits.

*Oh and for the record, without looking at statistics, I'm going to have a stab in the dark and suggest the main benefit claimants are;

Men aged between 18-30
Single parents (more than likely women under the age of 28)*