to still be shocked at the 9/11 attacks

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i am watching a programme on itv1 about the 9/11 attacks and it still sends shivers down my spine.

Yes! I AM wrong! all of you are RIGHT Everything governments say are right. Everything everyone else says is wrong. Come on! Discredit me more!! Do your best, you've got to discredit me even MORE! Yay!

Sky news is where. Sunday morning we were treated to footage of burned bodies and piles of skeletons in the streets of Tripoli.

I don't understand your rationlisations though, particularly as I think you know I'm right. It may be understandable, that doesn't make it right.

nutters will make conspiracy theories out of any situation, just nod and smile :)

back to 9/11, yes it still shocks me too, in fact I prefer not to watch it now as its so distressing

re OP , No YANBU to still be shocked.

God help us all ,if we ever stop being shocked by such atrocities

Conspiracy theorists are not 'nutters' - that is quite an offensive term you know. I think that people have become disillusioned with the way governments behave and that is what these theories are borne of.

yeah, david icke is totally sane

i do like a good conspiracy though and read alot about ufo coverups in the past saddo and some incidents do warrant more explanation

the 9/11 attacks is not one of these incidents.

David Icke is a bit of a one off though isn't he?! Yes I agree about 9/11 but can also understand why people are quick to be suspicious of what governments are up to.

I didn't mean you Riven, I mean the post above.

A guy I was at school with was killed in this, my parents know his etc. That family will never ever be the same again

I think electra was saying that to scrambedeggs Riven?

I like a good conspiracy theory too

But some theories have more to them than others (like David Kelly).

It's good for people to test the evidence of what happened, governments do get up to all sorts (like Alexander Litvinenko) but if they did 9/11 they would have killed far more people than they did, and wouldn't have left any evidence for the conspiracy theorists to pounce on.

X-post with you electra.

I love the conspiracy theory fall-back that the opposite of 'we don't believe you' is 'you must be gullible'. I am quite satisfied that governments get up to some very dodgy stuff - the Valerie Plame story, for example. But I'm dead sure that most couldn't organise a piss up in an all-you-can-drink brewery, never mind the complex dance macabre of split-second coordination required to successfully pull off a 9/11. Oversights and cock-ups muddied up with lame attempts at arse-covering - far more credible.

Its media porn.

hi it's me, 'launatic' again..just been let out of my padded cell to go on Mumsnet.
Thanks Electra, people are being offensive, someone having a different opinion seems to make some people very angry

having a different opinion? Funny, holocaust deniers use the same line. Many people find it highly disrespectful to take something so abhorrent and gleefully promoted cracked conspiracy theorist nonsense.
Don't you feel a bit dirty?

At the time there was a MNetter here who lost her husband in the WTC. It was her DD2s birthday that day. Her daughters lost their daddy. Her youngest little girl didn't have daddy come home to say happy birthday to her.

Feelings and emotions when real deaths, real life people, were killed by terrorists will run high.

IMO theorists who make up stories of what they think happened, when evidence all seems to prove otherwise anyway, just seem extremely disrespectful to me, especially when there are real life peple still affected by the deaths caused by the terrorists who carried out these attacks.

Can you please explain further what is 'dirty' about having a different opinion? 'gleefully promoted cracked conspiracy theorist nonsense'.....which one? - the official one we are told happened, or the alternative one that I believe?

Looking back on this forum to posts from others who have expressed similar opinions to myself, they have also received many rude, offensive replies....why do people resort to this behaviour?? Surely for those who might be following this thread and are not sure what they believe...the people being rude are not doing arguments much good??

@SiamoFottuti who wrote 'having a different opinion? Funny, holocaust deniers use the same line'...what are you talking about? Having a different opinion is having a different opinion...there can't be one event/thing in the world that people don't have different opinions about, it's just a simple fact that we have our own minds, are all individuals so have our own DIFFERENT opinions??! ?? Oh and I find trying to align me with holocaust deniers quite offensive...want to do guilt? I can do guilt too...I lived in Israel, working alongside survivors of the holocaust.....I sat next to them watching the film 'Schindler's List' the year it came..something I will never forget

Presumably then, if you have lived alongside holocaust survivors and so forth, you understand how hurtful it is that there are people around today who will happily argue that either the holocaust never happened, or has been greatly exaggerated for political reasons? You think it is ridiculous that they produce reams of 'evidence' to support their case? And the fact that lots of other people agree with them doesn't alter your feeling about it. They're entitled to hold a different opinion, but the rest of us are also entitled to find that opinion annoying or even offensive.

I don't think too many people actually formed their opinion of 9/11 based on "official stories". Most watched the events unfold real-time and formed their conclusions based on that.

having a different opinion when one is established fact and one is bizarre conspiracy theory is not the same as I you like the blue and I think its awful.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Bumble?

I totally agree. We are all entitled to hold our own opinion and we are all entitled to find an opinion annoying or offensive.

I also agree that many did form conclusions when watching the events on the day...well I watched later, as was operating a flight as an airline crew member that day when it was actually happening....but then personally I can't remember thinking I knew exactly who had done it when I watched, I was just shocked and thinking 'whoever did this..how could they?'...any opinions I formed about who did it, any understanding of the timeline of events, what happened etc would have been from the TV programmes, radio and newspapers...all of which are always impartial, it goes without saying
Naturally, as with many events, as time goes by more information often comes to light, people discuss, question, examine - as with all things...then some people might start to change their opinions on what they originally concluded.....
There are people who lost family and friends in 9/11 don't believe everything the government has told them but would so like to find out what happened, do you find that offensive too?

We're not actually. Holocaust denial is a criminal offence is some countries.

No matter what your reasoning, you've allied yourself with the whackadoodle camp. You can't be very surprised when people look at you like this-->

I'v heard some conspiracies in the past but yours really takes the biscuit, Bumble.
I think evere one agrees that Goverments aren't always totally trustworthy but the 9/11 attack is not one of them.

@SiamoFottuti

We are all entitled to hold our own opinion and we are all entitled to find an opinion annoying or offensive...about ANYTHING, pop groups, world events EVERYTHING. As much as many would love to have total and complete control over others thoughts, their minds...it is just impossible...you can't tell some one not to have an opinion! ...well no, you could tell someone not to have an opinion..but they might not listen and might not stop having that opinion, because they have their OWN mind, not your mind.

We will all have opinions until the end of time and yes that is about things that are both written as 'facts' or 'conspiracy'.
A brick is a brick...someone does have the choice to say it is not if they want, but of course it IS a brick, so I see what you are trying to say...but 9/11 is a collection of events, not a 'thing', so can be argued over, especially if evidence is missing, things don't add up. There have been people sent to prison for a crime, then found not guilty.