to still be shocked at the 9/11 attacks

[AuntiePickleBottom]

i am watching a programme on itv1 about the 9/11 attacks and it still sends shivers down my spine.

i still think they could have stopped it,they knew something was planned and they knew bin laden and had plenty of times to take him out but didnt,the fact that agencys didnt talk to each other and the fbi didnt know 2 of the guys that flew the plans were in the usa but the cia had them on thier terror list.

I just think the showing of it over and over isn't necessary
And what about what happened afterwards , Guantanamo
Bay for example, where are all the documentaries on that

I was living in NY in 1993 and remember the car park attack. I had friends who had to evacuate from the 80th floor. Took them hours to get out. The view then was that it was bad but that a bomb in the car park couldn't knock down the building.

Ddubsgirl - they were over confident, they thought no one would dare to touch them

yes cj and the fact they didnt want to upset anyone in the middle east cos of the oil,always comes down to money & greed :(

I watched the phone calls from the towers documentary last night on youtube, after someone mentioned it on the other thread. I was absolutely glued to it. I was only 11 when it happened, and didn't really appreciate the enormity of it. I've always known that it was an awful thing, but the more you hear about it, the more you become de-sensitized.

But watching that documentary, it really, finally, hit home. I couldn't stop crying...can't imagine what it would have been like to have a loved one trapped in there, and watch live on TV as the towers collapsed.

Well I guess that this disaster is 'sexy', isn't it? Dramatic. Immediate. Saleable. A lifestyle we in the West share?
Am just suggesting we shou;dn't be sucked into the media-driven aftermath.

It was chilling viewing, and I remember being terrified at the time by it all those poor people.

My 6 year old DS came into the living room whilst it was on tonight (he was at the toilet) and asked what was on fire. I just kind of fobbed him off with a 'just a big fire' explanation as I still think he is too young to know details. It did get me wondering about all the children who watched it happen, or were involved, and all the questions which must gave been hard to answer. Having children gives it a completely different perspective

Still really shocked to watch footage, I dont think anyone will forget where they were when they heard, I remember listening to Radio one and it was announced, we presumed it was a small four seater plane, it was the day I moved out of home, was so shocking. :(
I remember reading that they were sending staff back into the towers as it was safe and would all be sorted soon, if this was true how awful, they really didnt know what was to come. And those poor 'jumpers' how awful it must have been to contemplate that sort of end.

I'm sure those running for their lives and jumping to their deaths didn't feel very 'sexy' Pan.

Although I see what you're saying, but that's just the consequence of todays technology.

Better it hadn't happend though, the world could have done without it.

no of course it wasn't sexy to havebeen there. Far far from it. But the sale of it def. is.
FWIW I can't watch those scenes, esp. the jumpers holding hands as they went. It's just the packaging of wrought human emotion that I detest.

A friend's child who was about 8 at the time was happy that so many people were escaping by jumping out of the windows and didn't understand why everyone didn't jump. She allowed him to think they were saved

There won't be relatives watching itv1 in the uk will there? That's rather overly dramatic, how would they even know it's being shown to be upset by it?

YANBU but only if you are also similarly shocked and have shivers down your spine at the thought that having your entire city bombed flat and losing your home and family is a daily way of life in several countries. If you're only shocked by it happening here in the western world however......

pan i get what you are saying.

if this was a film, then it would of been a really good disaster/doomsday film and people who like that gendre of film would of rated it hi.

the footage to me looks like a scence from a movie, which makes it even more chilling

It is only shocking if you believe wars only happen somewhere else to other people.

What is the difference between 9/11 and the civilian deaths in the Middle East? Lives are not worth more because they belong to rich people in tall buildings.

Is it sad? God yes, its horrible, but we can't expect to want to dominate the world in the way we do and for there not to be people who object to that and try to strike back.

Nobody deserves to die like that, but we care more because they are like us. DH was in Manhatten at the time, his office is a couple of blocks down. I was so afraid, there are people who live in that fear all the time for our benefit.

What is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?

A1960, i know disaster happen all over the world, but nothin apart from war i can think of nothing that so many lives was lost.

Yes, it still feels so recent.

I was so relieved when Osama Bin Laden was caught and killed this year. I'm really a quite a liberal pacifist in nature, but the death of this monster - no other word for him - has made the world a safer place.

yes Auntie - it 'looked' like a diaster movie at the time, didn't it? I know it took a very long time ( i.e about 3days) for me and most of the people I know to grasp the fact that Manhatten had been 'attacked' in the manner it had, and what the potential repercussions it would have,

It is part of a war AuntiePickleBottom, people think that because we are strong enough to most defend our territory that we are not at war.

There are Australian soldiers dying in Afghanistan, that is war.

Auntie - loss of life outside of war? tsunami - Africa - Pakistan earthquake.

I know it's not this simple morloth, but would you give up your/our childrens position in the west (with its accompanying lifestyle/health benefits/opportunities) for the roles to be reversed so the west isn't the dominant force it is?

If you take as a given that in the clash of global politics and ideas there are always going to be struggles for power and resources, if not 'us' then who?

Someone will always be willing to step into even the smallest vacuum.

when did the war on iraq ect start, because i alway thought it was after the 9/11 attacks

Why are any of us getting hooked into this when today is only the 1st of September? The ten year anniversary of those dreadful events is over a week away.

This mawkish and miserable reflection gets me down. Nearly 3000 people died. Please don't speculate, please don't pontificate. Just be sad for those who died, and those who lost them.

Iraq was much earlier - two wars - first 1991, then about 2003, I think. The Afghani War has been a continuation of 'looking' for Bin Laden since 2001 - a sort of reason to get involved in a stratgegically-important region which Pakistan weren't holding up Western interests very well, despite being paid vast amounts of US dollar to do so.