In thinking the recent events are show that some parents should have their children removed at birth simply for being scum ?

[SatansLittleHelper]

There are children out on the strets, 8/9/10/11 years old out on the streets looting and firebombing properties. Where the hell are their parents ? Has anybody ever given a shit about them ?

I am sick to death of scummy fuckwits who pop out one kid after another, they don't teach them morals or empathy these kids are dragged up, they have no chance. I really wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been sent out with 'shopping lists' because after all, we all need a 50 inch plasma.

I really do think that people who aren't capable of being decent human beings should have the right to raise children taken away from them.

Rant over.

OP - you have used some pretty disgusting language.

To say people should have their children removed at birth "simply for being scum" is extremely offensive at best.

YABU

totallly agree with Fellatio.

what is needed is more support and respect for families who are struggling.

condemnation and anger gets us to precisely where we are now.

Morloth I've lived in dodgy neighbourhoods practically my whole life and I think that's why I'm a big lefty softy. Of course the criminals piss me off but I do think the government has a lot to answer for (why can't I be angry at both the criminals and the government?) I've also worked with some rough people and when you find out the kinds of lives they've had, well, you still hate what they do obviously but you start to understand why they don't give a toss about society, they've been so screwed over.

I've actually had the opposite reaction to you, I feel like most of the people saying they're scum, shoot them all, have never lived in any of these neighbourhoods and get all their information from the Daily Mail.

I am sick to death of scummy fuckwits who pop out one kid after another, they don't teach them morals or empathy

and what empathy are you showing

do you know the background of every child involved

ridiculous post

Morloth I have lived in an environment of depeivation, abuse, neglect and criminality which is why I understand rather than issue blanket condemnations and threats.

I am sure you would have sterilised my parents meaning I would not exist. Now I admit I have claimed benefits and been a single mother which probably blackens me in your eyes but I happen to think I deserve a right to life. Morlorh et al do you think that as the child of "scum" I have the right to life?

Agreeing with op!

Here's an uncomfortable truth - black and mixed race kids tend to languish in the care system - the majority of adopters are white - wanting white kids - so removing these children from their homes would exacerbate the problem, not solve it.

J

I grew up in a 'rough area', one of the areas rioting at the moment.

When I was 16, has just lost a parent, no prospects, no job, on the scrapheap, really.

Did I run with the pack, in the 80's, in the riots and loot shops.

No I am a law abiding citizen. Simple, it wasn't in me to do it.

I was answering Zwitterion's question as to what has happened on MN. Not agreeing with the OP.

Personally I am right smack bang in the 'middle', I distrust the far left as much as the far right for pretty much the same reasons, they all want control of people.

I grew up in a suburb that would give south central LA a run for its money and am now wealthy at at the other end of the scale.

But Zwitterion wanted to know what had changed on MN and what I posted is what I think is the reason.

The left is about 'us and them' as much as the right.

People should mostly be left to get on with their lives free from interference, there are however lines that should not be crossed without consequences if society wants to function. Neglect/abuse are lines that need to be clear and need to have repercussions for stepping over. People should also be given a hand when they need it.

Nothing will 'solve' the problems though, they are part of being human and very much often down to the roll of the die as far as where you start out and more importantly, how you start out.

Do you think Morlorth that it would have been better if my parents were sterilised before they had chance to conceive me?

twinklypearls you are not actually reading my posts are you?

I am fairly sure that there is no mention of eugenics in either of them.

Why would I care if you were born or not?

Do you know what Morloth you are right. I am so sorry. I have muddled my posters and I am very sorry. I wondered why you were contradicting yourself.

The curse of posting on an iPhone. An iPhone I have bought I hasten to add not looted.

Once again I am sorry . I am just getting wound up at people calling for eugenics. I am going to brew some coffee.

Once again sorry , I did think you were posting out of character

No worries.

Thanks, I was being a misinformed twat.

I agree we need to disincentivise a certain underclass from having more kids, I dont fucking care if its social engineering, as look how theswe poor kids turn out

offer druggies and alkies £1000 to be sterilised
reward benefit claimants with £1000 for every kid free 2 years

my think,ing is that if people are going to take that money they should not have been parents in the first place

I was a child from the underclass! I grew up around abuse, prostitution, crime, violence, drugs and alcohol . I escaped and now a positive contributing member of society because that same society invested in me.

Twinkly, do you really want more children to go through what you went through and worse? You've come out the other side, why should more children suffer an horrific upbringing just because you survived yours.

I used to work as a counsellor in a Pupil Referral Unit in a very poor area of the North West. The teenagers in our unit (14-16 yo) were the kind of children people on this thread are talking about and without exception every one of them came from a horrendous background. They had parents in prison, parents who were sex workers, parents who were drug addicts, parents who were too poor to provide for their children properly. Usually, their parents came from similar backgrounds too.

We have a situation where children are born into families where no one works, where no one believes that they can add to society. Children who are written off because of where they come from. Removing the children will not help,there aren't enough naice middle class adopters out there.

Incidentally, I'm about as leftie liberal as you can be and live on a rough estate.

Should I have never had children then? Should my mother have been sterilised? Probably but that's besides the point. Should I have been sterilised? I hope the answer isn't yes. I look after my dc well, have 'escaped' from the rough area of London that I was brought up in (Woolwich & Canning Town), bring my dc up so that they have good manners, I always know where my dc are, they aren't out late at night (unlike me at the same age), My teenager doesn't smoke, drink, have sex, or go looting. Yes, I am currently on benefits, but a) I have a disability, b) My partner left 9 weeks ago, c) I am currently trying to find work, even with a 6 month old baby. Just because I had to learn pride for myself rather than being taught it, doesn't mean that I shouldn't have had dc.

twinkly/loudlass

I am aware that threads like this can land like "you should not have been born"

I am thinking of a baby p mum type example, she's a cruel, greedy feral bitch and would have happily taken £1000 to have been sterilised, thats the type of people i mean

I am well aware that noit every hoodie is bad, and that many many good people live in council estates

Of course i do not want more children to go through what I did. I just don't think that state sponsored eugenics is the answer. Yes educate women about contraception, provide free contraception and empower them so they do not settle for violent men. But children like me will always exist and we need to invest in them to break the cycle.