Jo Frost should be compulsory watching.

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I love this woman. She is to parenting what Jamie is to school dinners. No, shes better than that! So straightforward, everyone should watch and learn.

Just curious, but which of her methods do people consider cruel and disrepectful?

I am genuinely interested here. I'm not being sarcastic!

exoticfruits you are so right. It is far more difficult with your own children. And it depends what your children are like. There is no 'one size fits all' approach to children.
If Jo Frost were to ever undertake some childcare qualifications, she would learn that on day one. They are all unique.

I'd like to know that too Thingie

Am not sure how you direspect or patronise a young child either.

I imagine Jo has learnt a lot from her experience of DC - which is an education in itself. Equally some people are better with DC - just because they are 'your' DC, doesn't mean you know best.

Not a fan of her as a personality. I've used some of the techniques she advocates, but did so before I'd seen her show. I do dislike her condescending manner, but I'm never quite sure if it's natural or put on for the camera.

Am not sure how you direspect or patronise a young child either.
Are you serious?

Totally - a sad face is not an answer to the question either

Young DC don't have the same sensibilities as adults. It is not patronising/disrespectful to control behaviour in a young child - they do not know what is expected of them in the world and need guidance. The heart of the parental role surley??

My sad face was because I feel sad that somebody would actually say that sentiment out loud, let alone believe it.
It is not your role as a parent to control your children.

I agree that she's great in many ways...but i don't know why people watch her programs week in-week out, cos once you've seen one episode, you've seen them all.

I think we're all quite voyeuristic at heart and like to see how other parents are 'getting on' behind closed doors.

Just a theory.

She patronising, disrespectful and not very bright. She has no qualifications and no children of her own - she got lucky as her husband is a producer. Her book spouts very poor info about infant feeding and sleep. I loath her. The naughty step is hardly original nor is being consistent and using rewards.

Still no answer though?

I didn't say control DC - I said control their behaviour. By showing them how to behave appropraitely by modelling good behaviour and by dealing with bad. Control their environment - what they are exposed to, how and when.

What is the parental role to you?

My daughter is VERY strongwilled (sp?) and naughty step just wouldn't work. My sister-in-law has a son 2 months older and he is very passive. Naughty step works, but even my (very strict) mother-in-law has admited that bribery/reward is the way. Of course I set boundaries, but I believe a parents job is of guidance, not ownership.

i agree

i swear by her, she is my child rearing hero :o

Superv! !! :o

Zim, fair point you made. I once came across an article by JF in which she began by saying "I became a childcare expert when I interviewed for a television programe" really! I thought it took years of study in child emotional development and phycology to become an expert and then some!

Does anyone ever become a true expert on these little wonders? We do our best But JK comes across as one of those people for whom a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

look she cant say asseptable and that annoys me

Do you mean acceptable Don't be unkind KaySirah.

I loved the Tania Byron programmes, Little Angels and House of Tiny Tearaways. She really does have qualifications and her methods seemed much better. Some if them even work on my DS2 with SN. No way would he sit on a 'naughty step.' He would sit for maybe 2 seconds. Proper time out somewhere safe did and does work.

Jo Frost, I'm afraid I really dislike her methods, there's no fun to her. I can see that she's probably better than no advice.

Am not sure how you direspect or patronise a young child either

If you don't understand that then you will have problems.

You need to treat everyone with respect, regardless of age. DCs never do as you say (unless in the short term for punishment or reward) but they do as you do. If you shout and swear at a DC you can't complain when they do it back!
Even young DCs know when they are being patronised.
They have minds of their own from early on, I never understand why parents give birth and expect the DC to think the same-really odd -as very often the parents think very differently from their own parents.

The key to it all is communication-which is 2 way-and you do need to listen to the DC (not necessarily act on it but you do need to listen).

Have worked in parenting in the past (for a charity) and from what I can see she's had the biggest positive impact so far on helping parents of NT kids to be proactive with behaviour challenges.

NT. I now specialise in ASD and a lot of what she teaches will work, a very large amount will not (it varies with each child) and there are people who like to use that as a stick to beat parents with.

I saw an episode where SN/JF worked with a child who had CP. TBH she wasn't the one with poor behaviour but JF did support the family so the girl with CP got 1:1 time for physio etc and the other girls got special time as they felt pushed aside. I also have seen a few where the children have ADHD, she did put some 'techniques' in place to ease their frustration and helped parents recognise when to 'redirect'.

There has also been some revsited episodes before. I remember watching one with a young girl.

I have seen her talk to children about how they feel about things and then talk about their behaviour. She tells them behaviour is not OK and a better way to deal with it, communicate with parents.

I have to admit I agree that there seems to be a lot of things to implement in some cases which may be wearing/ time consuming but I guess as things improve you can do each of them less frequently and enjoy being a family?

I think ultimatly, as it seems to be proved here, she takes an old fashioned approach. I parent DS in this way and am considered strict. However I expect good behaviour/ manners but for example can allow the freedom. My friend however hates any mess, hardly ever toys out at hers let alone everywhere but her dc's get away with hitting her and calling her names. 'The little monkeys'.

I don't agree with all her 'techniques'. I don't do reward charts, if DS is behaving he gets my attention and we play board games etc, if he isn't then I MN will tell him to sort out his attitude and we will play again. Sometimes though he is happy playing games/ watching TV alone.

And YY to Tanya Byron.

Much prefer her approach.

I think Sunshine has a point as well, does anyone ever become a true expert in this sort of thing? I'm months away from an MA in ASD and I feel far from an expert. I feel like a beginner who learns as much and more from each person on the spectrum she meets than she manages to give back in terms of- ahem- expertise.

Youare there's a lot of issues in CP etc that might affect behaviour and absolutely the family unit but speaking in a very generalistic nature CP is a disorder of physical nature whereas something psychological such as ASD is a very different situation.

Of courtse brain damage can affect behaviour but it can't be assumed as part of the dx; whereas it's an absolute part of the label with other disorders.

No problems so far - like I said I model good behaviour and deal with bad.