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How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

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sundayrose10 · 08/07/2011 09:25

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

OP posts:
EggyAllenPoe · 10/07/2011 12:09

indeed, it doesn't matter what i owe the student loans company, as i am not paying it back!

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 12:12
claig · 10/07/2011 12:16

Yes, i agree that the majority didn't support Thatcher. But what I meant is that Thatcher gained the majority of votes that were cast for each leader.

RetroHousewife · 10/07/2011 12:16

And the only reason we've had a Labour govt at all in the last twenty years is because of the Scottish and Welsh vote.
England is Tory .

And for that reason alone I will cheer from the rooftops when Scotland gets independance! Grin

TheFalcon · 10/07/2011 12:17

Scotland being independent would be the best thing that has happened to England in centuries.

RetroHousewife · 10/07/2011 12:25

Agreed Falcon.

I wish they'd bloody get on with it! Grin

EggyAllenPoe · 10/07/2011 12:27

it isn't true to say a majority voted against her either.

though i like the balance created...'safe' government doesn't work hard enough (look at Blair!)

although i suppose if England returned conservative every time what might happen would be the Liberals would gain in vote-share.

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 12:32

Ah, I see. What you meant was completely different from what you typed Hmm

How convenient

While you were eulogising about her all round marvellousness and how much she did for ordinary people, you forgot that it might be best to have some cold hard facts to back up your assertions eh?

Most people did not support Thatcher. Most people actively voted against her. And loathed her and what she stood for. Many people who voted LibDem / Liberal / SDP at that time voted tactically to keep tories out in their constituency (as did many people who voted labour of course it is impossible to quantifty this).

So while you might be happy i your little pro-Thatcher bubble, please don't assume that everyone (or even the majority) share or shared your views. They did not and ime, do not

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 12:33

England is not Tory. That is simplistic nonsense.

claig · 10/07/2011 12:36

yes, I think the Liberals would see a rise in their vote as opposition to the Tories. I think Labour in England would be in decline, tumbling headfirst down a steep incline.

claig · 10/07/2011 12:40

Labour would be sent packing, their policies evidently lacking. No more progressive rants, no more progressive cant. A day of elation, of national celebration.

likale · 10/07/2011 12:42

If Labour didn't have Scotland voting for it they would have a very hard time getting elected.

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 12:42

Claig. I can see you're getting yourself into a right little lather of ecstasy there :o so I'll leave you to enjoy your vision of a future Tory utopia, unhindered by fact or reason

claig · 10/07/2011 12:52

Smile but can I ask you to ponder these facts before you leave.

Thatcher was not for turning, for she was Tory through and through.
But like scratched vinyl on an old turntable, turning was all that Labour knew.
The public told them "For Gawd's sake, change the record"
But, alas, that was something they were never able to do.

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 12:57

That's not facts. That's a poem. And a highly biased one at that. You seem to have a problem differentiating between the two claig

The only facts that have been mentioned between you and I are the electroral statistics.

While I am all for impassioned debate and high ideals, I prefer to debate with someone who knows the difference between factual statistics and fatuous rhymes.

claig · 10/07/2011 13:00

In that case, may I suggest you never try debating with Gordon Brown.

CurrySpice · 10/07/2011 13:01

Oh give it a rest claig. I'm off to make the kids' lunch. You are a numpty. Fact :o

SalmeMurrikAgain · 10/07/2011 13:04

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claig · 10/07/2011 13:30

OP, YABU

'Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.
I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.'

A Tory believes in "share and share alike". Did your colleague not share biscuits with you over the past 13 years of Labour misrule?

Not sharing is spiteful and somewhat progressive, but if you admire New Labour, I guess it makes sense and he will take no offence.

piloi · 10/07/2011 13:33

"Dave makes me feel insane with hatred."- I think you need help to deal with your issues Gordon

Xenia · 10/07/2011 13:55

The left are very weird and seem to have very simple hate feelings and think they have a monopoly on good works. You help the poor best by getting the economy right and building the economy into a good state. There are and were huge numbers of Thatcher supporters in the UK and this site of all, a women's site surely is bursting with Thatcherites - a woman who ruled the country as we run our homes, on sound economic pricniples. We owe so much to her. there is no similar radical agenda with Cameron. They are all of the middle now.

Hopefully a more radical and low tax agenda will come forward before the next election. If Scotland wants to cede so be it. Would it stasy in the EU? May be rump GB would stilll have to be paying out to Scottish benefit claimants post cessation before it would be a separate EU member.

aliceliddell · 10/07/2011 14:26
Fifis25StottieCakes · 10/07/2011 15:07

No the poor can have children of course they can but with that they have to accept their quality of life will be poorer for every child they have. Even with vast amount of savings behind you the quality of life you and the child can have reduces for every person within that family the money is split between why should it be any different for those who started off without a pot to piss in ?

But thats assuming everyone who claims benefits started out on benefits. What about the people who had a good job, a house, who hit hard times. Life can change in a heatbeat.

Ishani · 10/07/2011 15:11

I'm not making any assumptions, I wonder what if any research has been done to ascertain the number of people on benefits who could never have afforded children in the first place, might make for interesting reading one way or the other.

moondog · 10/07/2011 15:22

I love this so I'm posting it one meore time.

For you in particular, Curry. Smile

With love

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