How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

[sundayrose10]

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

Great post claig - ( apart from point One )

Labour policies/laws were crap - but policies can be re-written and new laws introduced - what labour did, and the one thing I will never forgive them for - ( and I'm not really sure how they did it ) but they left this country with large sections of it having little pride in themselves or their country - People born and bred here laugh at 'Britishness' - they're almost disgusted in the term. Why did that happen? was that reluctance to embrace and celebrate our country around in Thatchers day? - NO. - the complete opposite in fact.

I can't watch the news any more it pisses me off that much.

The Tories are soulless bastards who hate the poor and vulnerable and think that if you are not rich you are worthless. I have defriended a couple of people on FB for their political leanings. It was only a couple, mind. Most of the people I know do have a social conscience and care about other people. I am also a member of a fb group called 'Nobody likes a Tory'

So many leading economists have advised against such brutal cuts and warned that will stall the recovery which is happening now. How can a multi millionaire like slasher Osbourne have any clue of the devastation caused to ordinary people by his clueless policies? They lied about virtually everything they said in their manifesto and are hell bent on ripping the heart out of the NHS. Bastards.

The bankers (invariably Tories) caused this crisis not Gordon Brown. Dave and co are happy to spend billions on Libya and as mentioned the royal wedding and the Olympics but take essential services from vulnerable people whose lives depend on it.

And don't get me started on the seemingly misogynistic hatred they seem to have for women. Closing domestic abuse centres, children's centres and charging to use the crap CSA anyone?

Fucking disgusting the lot of them.

Caring about other people doesn't equal making them dependent on benefits.

Cuts don't equal hatred.

Making people take responsibility for their own lives is the only way to run things.

Nestled within that blitz of inane vague blandness ("I support her common sense, vision and understanding", "I support her can-do spirit, strength and resolve" ffs!) there are a few things I agree with you on

A confrontation was needed with the unions but she took it entirely too far imo, her program of tax reduction was needed (Poll tax not withstanding) but for me those are all outweighed by her tripling of unemployment, her unswerving and still continuing support for facist dictator Pinochet, her lack of belief in a 'society', her hiding away of the unemployed onto incapacity benefit (which doubled under her watch and has stayed roughly the same level since then, despite the Tories best efforts to paint it as a Labour party creation), her decimation of the manufacturing industries, her decimation of social housing provision (she sold a huge amount but built none) etc etc etc.

tbh I find it hard to square your admiration for Maggie with the fact that she hated state interference in business, privatised anything that moved and with the big bang and deregulation of the financial markets (something you claim to be admire) opened Britain up to the global market forces (something you claim to hate) as much as anyone else before or after.

btw her average approval rate during her premiership was 40%, the second lowest on record.

As for your professed admiration for James Goldsmith, it's certainly at odds with your desire to create a closed off protectionist EU super trading block, something he would have been appalled by.

I'm falling in love with inatrance.

Thanks, Carminagetsprimal. Yes, you're right. We sometimes forget what a great country we live in, a small island with an amazing history and amazing achievements that influenced the entire globe.

We don't celebrate our achievements enough. Remember that embarrassing display we put on at the Beijing Olympics. A progressive shambles that looked pathetic in comparison to the great display that China put on. And remember that other embarrassing display at the Millenium Dome. Let's hope for the Olympics in London, they finally get it right. Let's hope the progressives are not in charge on that momentous night.

"what labour did, and the one thing I will never forgive them for - ( and I'm not really sure how they did it ) but they left this country with large sections of it having little pride in themselves or their country"

Like you I'm not entirely sure how you're blaming Labour for that either

If you destroy entire communities and tell them there's no such thing as society and do your very best to make the working class feel worthless (as thatcher did) then quite possibly you might go a good way to dissolve feelings of social cohesion and national pride.

Just to be clear I'm not blaming Thatcherism for what ever it is you're complaining about, but equally I think blaming Labour because of some vague feeling you have that they're responsible is a bit weak minded.

Claig - the progressives would rather be waving Rasta mouse flags than the union Jack - I despair I really do.

"We don't celebrate our achievements enough. Remember that embarrassing display we put on at the Beijing Olympics. A progressive shambles that looked pathetic in comparison to the great display that China put on"

Eh?

What was 'progressive' about the UK contribution to the closing ceremony in Beijing?

I have a feeling you have absolutely no understanding of a lot of the words you find yourself using........

'What was 'progressive' about the UK contribution to the closing ceremony in Beijing?'

the farcical, embarrassing shambles that it was.

Chen23 - it's not the poor I'm talking about - go a bit further up the Socio-Eco ladder and you'll find it there.

As I thought, no understanding what so ever.

btw if you think China spending well over $40 billion dollars on the olympics and displacing over 2 million Beijing residents is a valid way to express national pride and one we should emulate then we disagree.

I'm sure the Chinese leadership will appreciate your thoughts on massive state inteference tho.

These are just some quotes of how some of the public reacted to our country's embarrassing display which was contrasted by a magnificent Chinese display. It wasn't the performers fault, it was the fault of those who came up with the idea.

"And three thousand British viewers let rip on the BBC News website and the corporation's Have Your Say online message boards.

The BBC forums were so busy moderators had to close them down to make space for new debates.

Two hundred comments on the corporation's website were censored because they were obscene.

And in a MailOnline poll, more than three-quarters of those who replied said that they had been embarrassed by Britain's handover."

It's not poor people who go on about being "citizens of the world" and all that bollocks. Working-class people are generally the most patriotic, the middle-classes the least, because they are weak-minded.

Hats off to the Chinese, they did a great job and did their country proud. Let's hope whoever is in charge here will do our country proud.

Well, I don't think China should ever have been awarded the Olympics in the first place, given their apalling human rights record. I hope we do our country proud , but not a la China.

would like to be inatrance's friend on facebook....

"It's not poor people who go on about being "citizens of the world" and all that bollocks. Working-class people are generally the most patriotic, the middle-classes the least, because they are weak-minded."

yes, writing off an entire social class as weak minded is a sure sign of intellectual superiority. good work.

Remember that day when Margaret Thatcher expressed her disapproval of British Airways removing the Union Flag from the tailfins of their planes.

'The Union flag, BA argued, looked "arrogant and detached". But then Lady Thatcher saw a model of a BA 747, reached into her handbag for her handkerchief and tied it around the offending tailfin. A crushing gesture.

Virgin Atlantic took advantage of the controversy by painting Union flags on the vertical winglets of its aircraft, and it still tickles me whenever I see this.'

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/nigelfarndale/3561671/A-fine-chance-to-fly-the-flag-with-pride.html

I'm a Tory inatrance.

You said, " The Tories are soulless bastards who hate the poor and vulnerable and think that if you are not rich you are worthless. I have defriended a couple of people on FB for their political leanings. It was only a couple, mind. Most of the people I know do have a social conscience and care about other people. I am also a member of a fb group called 'Nobody likes a Tory' "

Which is such an adolescent rant reminiscent of Nicola in Life Is Sweet that I wasn't sure whether to respond or not but I shall.

Firstly, unless you are SERIOUSLY wealthy I can pretty much guarantee that my Tory Bastard husband and I gave more to charities that deal with the poor and vulnerable last year than you did, and that's not counting the income tax we ( happily, BTW) pay towards the poor and vulnerable through the Welfare State.

It is well off Tory Bastards that pay, through their taxation ( and other Non Tory well off bastards) for the NHS and the benefit system and the libraries and Sure Start and all the rest of it. Most people are happy to do so but they also see a need for a huge belt tightening exercise to save us from bankruptcy and an end to a Welfare system that became a lifestyle choice for so many.

Hating the rich is as repulsive as hating the poor. Except for the fact that if the rich all fucked off outta here, the country really would go to hell in a handbasket.

Brilliant post retrohousewife.

Only the rich pay tax then? or vat? or buy petrol and other taxable items?
I think the very rich seem to do all they can to avoid paying tax actually

usualsuspect, I agree with you about Bono

So why do the richest 1% of people pay 25% of all taxation? Wy do the richest 10% of people pay over half of all taxation?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8417205.stm

In the 70's, 7% of the UK population owned 84% of the wealth. They own a slightly higher proportion now. So obviously, the reason the richest 10% only pay 50% is explained by their success in avoidance and evasion.