To be fed up of people saying drug addicts should abort?

[SchrodingersMew]

I realise I will probably get flamed for posting this here.

In the past 12 hours I have seen a comment from someone on here saying drug addicts should abort and then logged into Facebook just there to find another comment from someone saying ".I would only hope that disgusting junkies/alcoholics/abusers and the like abort when they fall pregnant."

My Mother was a drug addict and this really makes me upset every time I see comments like this. They are basically saying me and my Brother should have been aborted. :(

I know I am probably being unreasonable about this, but it really does upset me and I think some people should think before posting comments like that.

1 in 13 addicted to alcohol is not to be sniffed at. Plenty of them will be solid respectable types in professional jobs.

I think people are making a judgement here and when they say "addict" they mean something quite specific. Thing is as soon as you start saying "well those sort of addicts are OK but those ones have to have abortions"... you are getting onto very dodgy ground indeed.

If you're not in that position I'd imagine its pretty easy to say 'I'd give up on one child for the rest of my children'.

To the OP YANBU BTW and I don't believe that any one human should have the power to force another human being to terminate a pregnancy.

You could argue against abortion being legal by saying "look at child x, so healthy and bright, how could anyone say they shouldn't have been born?"

The argument against forced abortion is that it is a violation to the woman.
The argument against forced pregnancy is that it is a violation to the woman.

Not difficult.

I dont think I could say 100% I wouldn't. Im thinking more about violence against siblings ect, either way you try to do the best for your family.

I think there is probably an argument for giving addicts free drugs etc as long as they agree to be sterilised. Children who grow up in poverty stricken drug addicted households do not generally go on to live happy lives, just look at Dukie in the Wire.

Obviously there are exceptions, as the OP has proved.

I think there is probably an argument for giving addicts free drugs etc as long as they agree to be sterilised

I thought we were talking about abortion...not sterilization. People can change...addicts can change.
And giving free drugs in a deal for sterilization? Are you being serious?

A woman in america pays addicts to get sterilised.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jun/12/barbara-harris-sterilise-drug-addicts-alcoholics

There have been threads about that organisation, crosshairs.

People can change we pray my brother will we also know ex friends of his that have changed and turned their lives around, if theyd had sterilisation as you suggest then they wouldn't have had the chance to become parents, we know one who's been clean 8 years and a mother of twins she's doing fantastic

Sorry I wasnt trying to steer the conversation, just something to considour when talking about ''I think there is probably an argument for giving addicts free drugs etc as long as they agree to be sterilised''.

IMO the onus should be on the children, not on the parents who may sort themselves out after having children. There's far too many kids who have to endure a substandard childhood because of lefties espousing "human rights" and believing it is people's choice to do what they want and the governments responsibility to cope with the mess that results.

I believe people should have a choice.

That woman gives them money in order to be sterilised.

RobF I think you will find that huge numbers of children have to endure substandard childhoods for all sorts of reasons. From the outside it is hard to say which children are having a horrible homelife and which are not. At the moment SS try to do that job, and they have to strike a balance between the harm done staying with less than perfect parents and the harm done by being removed from the home. It is a very hard balance to strike.

Forcing all drug addicts to have abortions (all of them? even high functioning ones?) will not stop the problem of children having bad childhoods and will (looking at the figures) put the birth rate through the floor.

I would suggest that the current system where things are judged on a case by case basis is probably as good as you are going to get. If it is properly resourced and the correct procedures are in place etc.

Yep and people use the money to buy food/clothes/more drugs. Its still targeting a vulnerable group and getting them to make life changing decisions with incentives.

Yes I agree with you crosshairs. I think it is a revolting idea.

"you must be a really loving caring mum, the kind that would never have a kid rebel or feel they were disposable...oh...."

Is that what they call passive-aggressive? :o

What can I say, TSC? We disagree, such is life, for me that's just the way it is. That you insinuate that I'm not a caring parent makes no difference. Please don't assume that I'm complacent about my children and think "they would never" though. They know what the consequences would be and that's a big - and the best - deterrent IMO.

"altinkum - you said, Parenting isn't simple, no one on here said the did, I also never called you a bad parent either".

I never accused you of doing so. You misunderstood me. I invited you to call me it.

because for me, that's just the way it is. I won't change and am happy that I'm doing the right thing for all of us in this family. I can't get worked up about people disagreeing with what I think or how I raise my children, I just can't.

The main issue going forward will be cost, as health and welfare budgets get more and more squeezed I think we will see increasing pressure on people whose behaviour is seen to be self destructive and costly to taxpayers.

Big picture (ie despite the heart rending/warming individual stories), this is one of those groups (along with smokers, obese, etc etc) that will come under more pressure.

I have to agree with thesecondcoming on page 1 and about the implementation of contraceptive implants for drug addicts

The thing about the comments you read is that people are entitled to their opinion - just because you have a different one it doesn't necessarily make them idiots