to ask who the fuck are the moderators on here and suggest that unless there was a very good reason to delete the HSBC thread - and I would like a very good reason - then this site is over-moderated

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and I am not 12

can you please treat us like grown-ups

thank you

I was completely engrossed by an adaptation of Josephine Tey's "Daughter of Time" on Radio7 a few years back. Remember stopping what I was doing and sitting on the stairs to listen. Never wanted to buy the book because I didn't want to be disappointed - any recommendations re books welcome

At school we had - Chinese Cultural Revolution, World War I, Indian Mutiny. Nothing about Tudors and it sound so fascinating - where do I start?

Brilliant thread, and I'm now off to the library now with a list of authors to look out for. Thank you.

Lots of nows

As a confirmed pedant, I've always liked the story about Edward II's death and the missing comma - related in Marlowe's Edward II, but sadly probably apochryphal.

The story goes that a message was sent to Edward's captors which read 'Edwardum occidere nolite timere bonum est' which, depending on where you put the comma, could be read

"Edwardum occidere nolite timere, bonum est" (Do not fear to kill Edward, it is good") or

Edwardum occidere nolite, timere bonum est (Do not kill Edward, it is good to fear")

thus covering their arses whichever way the political cat jumped....

Embarrassment of riches zukiecat
Remember years ago going every day to see my dad in hospital and the only thing to read was my mum's Cadfael and being fascinated by the 11th century.
Then the Tey on radio.
Then moving house a few years ago and listening to anything I could find on the radio as I packed and cleared. Trollope's "The Pallisers" were on and although I initially though "Meh" I got hooked.

So - I should start at 1013 and work my way through to 1900? Sounds great. Am not in the UK so can't borrow any from the library, hence my plaintive request for recommendations.

Are you two still at this!? Geeks

RustyBear - that reminds me of my Latin and Greek teacher. We'd have lessons in his rooms and drink tea and eat biscuits and discuss the ins and outs of language, grammar, society and politics. The last 15 minutes were a rushed nod to the curriculum.
Lovely man.

gooseberry quoting me because you are bored and accusing me of stalking is just another example of your shit stirring techniques, shrugs

However Gitterz I will appologise to you, my remarks were totally uncalled for and reading back can see how it looked nasty (but truly was meant tongue in cheek, but for the life of me this morning cannot see how it can read as tongue in cheek)
I am not sure where I have made snidey commets to others re that forum though.
But Glitterz I do apologise sincerly and can only promise that I am not stalking you.
Having seemed to be stalked myself in the past I can understand the creepiness it makes someone feel and would not wish that feeling on anyone.
Hope you accept this apology in the way its meant.

thanks, I appreciate it.... didn't feel nice
I personally feel that on forums grudges shouldn't be held, unless remarks said directly to you are completely abhorrent.... everyone has the right to their own opinion.

is it really? and who are you, if you aren't too scared to say

so.. accusing you of stalking is "shit-stirring" followed by an apology for.....er.. stalking

ookkkaayy

leave it Gooseberry.... really

I really don't know how to take this thread....

It's all over the place, I'm sitting here with my tea watching you and LeQueen have you intriguing wee history session while watching the arguments in between. :o

yeah thanks glitter wouldn't expect anything else though

Thanks, zukiecat.
May look out for, or indeed start, another thread. This one seems rather incendiary...

you've acknowledged it looks like stalking and you had to apologise for that so to accuse you of stalking is not the wildest thing in the world and certainly not shit stirring

but there we are - no doubt you'll abuse me under another name next time

Seeing as this thread is a warzone I made another one.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1245361-Love-blood-and-gore-A-History-thread

Just a clarification from further up t'thread - Katherine Parr was not married because Henry VII needed a nurse - he had nurses for that. The idea a Queen of England would change pus-y bandages is a ludicrous Victorian construct.

He married KP because she was a) charismatic b) an extremely adept manager for money, property, people etc c) not attached to any of the cliques within court so he could trust her (in theory) to follow his desires after he died and d) did we mention that she was very, very rich?

She very nearly lost her head as well - she was a lot more opnionated about her faith than Henry had bargained for. Fortunately he died before he could follow through on that little urge.

I'd hazard a guess he was also being the randy old goat he always was