to feel absolutely disgusted by what just happened on the bus?

[BreastmilkDoesAFabLatte]

On the bus with DH, toddler DD (19 months) in pushchair and newborn DS (17 days) in sling. Travelling through bog standard, middle class suburbia.

As we board, bus driver snaps that we'll either have to fold the pushchair or get off now. As we're fumbling to fold the pushchair whilst clinging onto a tired and wailing DD, other passangers are elbowing past and paying no attention to DS whom I'm trying to protect, and the bus driver is shouting at me to hurry up.

Nobody at all offers DH or DD a seat, and the only person to offer me one is a woman of at least 70.

Having an ashamed-to-be-British moment.

SEVENTEEN days no sleep?!
Poor thing!

The thing is, sometimes people are lovely and sometimes people are rude. Both things are out of the ordinary. You should accept the middle road, which is that people will ignore you.

OP could hold dd for a second and dh do a quick fold.

NestaFiesta, yes I also have bags hanging off my buggy!

I catch buses everywhere as I don't drive. I don't think I could ever fold up my buggy as it is a double one with bags hanging off the handles and usually also one in the basket. How could I manage without the buggy? Then I would have 4 month old under one arm, bags hanging from the free arm and would also have to somehow help DS of 2 years up the step and shepherd him into the bus. It would be a nightmare, particularly if bus driver/other passengers were impatient, wouldn't help, wouldn't offer me a seat to sit with baby and toddler.

Usually if bus is too crowded I wait for the next one or walk. But I realise this is not always ideal if in a rush or too far to walk/too long till next bus arrives...

Oh the joy of commuting with small children in London. Maybe we should just all stay home thus not causing inconvenience to our fellow commuters

Gwendoline. formula well that says it all Maybe if you did it as nature intended you'd have more money.

I am at people on here who say they wouldn't give up their seat for a parent holding a small child. Jesus.

You are supposed to give up your seat for:

Elderly

Disabled

Pregnant women

People holding small children

If you have any manners at all, that is

some of the responses on here are disgusting

I mean someone quoted OP with her statement of 17 days of no sleep snd they replied with

stay home then

yeah because all new mums who need to use public transport should be bannished to the house :(

Goblin - not impossible. Made harder by other's lack of understanding

others' (?)

If you can afford a baby you can afford a car

EH? How is that logical? If you have enough money for a baby ergo you have surplus left for a car? Only car drivers can afford to have kids? How does that work?

In a lot of cases it's either or. If you've just had a baby you have no spare extra buy-a-car money. People who already own cars when they have a baby often really struggle to pay for everything.

@ jamie

I used to travel with a backpack, baby, buggy, changing bag and three year old. My sister never went anywhere without an entourage, travelling penthouse, spares and extras of everything and enough food, knickknacks and clothing to supply Oxfam for a month.
Each of us thought the other was doing it wrong, so we didn't discuss the issue.

GML - I didn't realise babys didn't cost anything or grow into children. Superb we can save on child benefit then and all those lone parents asking for maintenance, what are they whining about? Kids are free. Good times.

babies

Booty Mum-exactly! Why are we being demonised for having the nerve to:
a) not drive
b) travel with kids
c) not want to take our shopping off the handles and wrestle with two small free range children in order to satisfy judgey people?

To be honest I hardly ever get the bus unless I have loads of shopping and its raining so its not as if I am a public menace what with my pesky kids and my nuisance buggy.

If everyone could afford a car i think they would have one instead of using public transport

Sorry but choosing between baby+bus and car, i think i would choose baby

Nearly everyone on this thread was nice, I tried to be honest and say I'd be worried about offending BFabs dp by offering to help.

FFS yes we all know it's rude to push in etc. Fabs a regular, she is quite funny and doesn't hold back herself at times on AIBU. I'd like to think her op shows she's intelligent enough to know not everyone will agree with all the points she has made. If she wanted sympathy only I'm sure she'd have posted in chat about her shit day and crappy bad tempered bus driver.

The comments ooh you are all bitches contribute nothing interesting are helpful, there are at least 2 million "everyone on Mumsnet is a cunt/viper/bitch etc oh except for me threads. Please be gracious enough to go and post those comments on those threads, and stop trying to turn BFabs thread from the point, otherwise it's all a bit "me me me", when it should be "fab, fab, fab".

And btw because Bfab is a regular people are posting truthfully, rather than being condescending.

Sorry Fab, I know your capable of all this but I'm feeling meh! And I may as meh! here as everyone else seems to be

I can afford a car but still use public transport all the time with the DC because
A) I am possibly the worst driver ever to have scraped through her test
B) DH can drive but hates it
C) Public transport is much quicker
D) Where the hell do you park?

Kids react differently and I dont know hoe toddlers are supposed to stay upright on a moving bus I can't bloody manage it!

Recently ahd atrip from hell in the making with ds4 who is 3 but has some ASD stuff going on and took a scare at the bus.... trying to move him on plus carry the buggy adn shopping.... except the people all helped and it was fine.

Something I have learned since moving to Wales from England, in mya reas at elast, here is definitely more family friendly. Child cried oin shop back home, you got looks; here you get a tissue and someone playing with other children.

That's fine by all means choose bus+baby but then don't complain when all other members of the public don't go out of their way to support your decision!

And tell you what, I am glad that a new mum having had no sleep caught teh bus! Tioredness kills, isn;t that what they say?

Oh and Fab- congrats.

God yes - when I look back, driving in those first few months was pretty risky, what with all the micro-sleeping

London - ive never said anyone should go out of their way. I said i should be able to use the designated pram bay if there are no other prams using them. The bus should not advertise a service it cannot provide as the drivers have no authority to ask people to move. I wouldnt ask you to vacate you seat unless you were in the pram bay without a pram and i had a pram i was unable to fold.

Guess what londonone. The buses are for EVERYONE, not just the selfish and entitled.

Honeydragon- genuinely not quite sure what you're saying. Not being horrible, just read it twice and not sure what point you're making. Sorry to be dense but just tried to fix an aeroplane whilst re reading. It sounds like a criticism but I'm not sure what it's aimed at.