To think that all this Cairlin Moran worship should stop?

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I bought the book. Read the book. Loved the book... Until the abortion chapter. How can a woman who killed a healthy baby for no other reason that conveni

"wallpaper isn't going to change your life, you can take months to decide if you like and nothing bad will happen, the choice won't be taken away from you."

Nnnnyeahhhh Trills, you see I think that was the problem with the work surfaces comment; that CM was comparing something really important (whether or not to continue with another pregnancy) with something really trivial. This is the hallmark of her writing: talking about the serious and the banal as if they were the same thing IS Caitlin Moran writing. And most of the time in her writing, it works very well and is very entertaining. I think it was a mistake to use the same style in this instance because despite her disclaimer, it did come across as flippant.

Decisions are all different. Some are hard, some are easy. Some are important, some are unimportant. She chose to draw a parallel between an easy, important decision and a difficult but unimportant decision.

I don't think it is her knowing straight away, without having to think about it, that she would not be continuing her pregnancy that was the problem for most people. I think it was the particular analogy that she decided to use to put that point across.

Cheers Buppers.

I would be horrified if people considered me a heartless bitch who finds wallpaper a more important decision than creating another life, But I do absolutely believe that for some the issue is so big that there is no decision to be made. It is just how it must be.

I am glad that we live in a world where a woman can decide that her pregnancy is wrong for her and be able to make that decision. It is refreshing to hear from a woman who has taken that step and yet is confident and at peace with it.
So many women are told that they should feel guilty, that they are wrong and that they should punish themselves daily for not wanting to continue with an unplanned pregnancy. So many women feel that they should spend the rest of their lives wringing their hands over something that is there absolute right, the right to control what happens to their body.

I may not agree with her on some things but i do think that CM was a very brave lady to publish how she felt about such an emotive subject when she is one of those rare non guilt ridden women who have chosen to terminate.

You are pretty damn inspiring too M. :)

aww shucks Thanks trills

I'm less worried about her attitude to abortion than by her view, expressed I think in the Guardian at the weekend, that women aren't seen as inferior to men because of woman-hating, but because of 'simple fact'. She points to women's underachievement in arts, science etc as proof of this. Does she not realise, or is she wilfully ignoring, the social and economic forces that have long conspired to make women underachieve?

Having said that, I do generally like her, and I'll still read the book.

i really liked an article she did in the times about childbirth, was taken from her book. It made ame acry a bit actually

dont worship her though?

lady Clarice - don't read the guardian. I am that she could claim such a thing whilst considering herself a feminist

here y'are

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that's how it read to me.

Hmmm, I didn't read that Guardian article, LadyClarice but I read something similar in the Times, the gist of which was that: in the past it was seen as simple fact that women were inferior to men, with the underachievements of women being used as 'proof' for this supposed inferiority, whereas of course women didn't get to achieve as much because they were stuck at home and not given the opportunities as they were "inferior."

(However, I also thought I read a bit which seemed to be positive about porn)

whoops x-post, will just read it now

Thing is , that the article is taking sentences and using them. It may well be that she clarifies those things when you read it in full.
Or at least i certainly hope so. Otherwise she will have spectacularly missed the entire point of feminism.

ahh well then that is a fair enough assessment of the situation.

I dunno. I do hope she's been quoted incompletely/out of context, but I'm struggling to read that as saying that women will have their day when we 'get a fair crack at the whip'.

ladyClarice I agree it doesn't read well.

I think what she is saying is that there are some men who believe women are inferior because of the years of female underachievement. They do not believe women are inferior because they hate women, but rather because of the "evidence" of female underachievement. Of course, we know that evidence is crap because it results from years of female oppression, and a little education will demonstrate that clearly. But I think what she's saying is, these men can be educated out of their sexist views, whereas if they were genuinely women-hating, they couldn't be.

Ah, I see. Hope that's what she meant!