To think that all this Cairlin Moran worship should stop?

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I bought the book. Read the book. Loved the book... Until the abortion chapter. How can a woman who killed a healthy baby for no other reason that conveni

"Well you are allowed to say them, Flippinada, but you tend to get shot down in flames - it seems there is only one viewpoint that is tolerated on abortion on mumsnet"

Sorry, but that is just not true.

I would recommend reading some of the recent 'abortion' threads to illustrate what I mean but they are pretty heavy going and quite distressing on occasion.

If you find it offensive that most people who post on here are pro choice and that is the prevailing view then you are entirled to feel however you like about that.. but it doesn't mean pro-life opinions are not allowed.

To those interested, this was the quote in question in the original article.

"Last year I had an abortion, and I can honestly say it was one of the least difficult decisions of my life. I?m not being flippant when I say it took me longer to decide what work-tops to have in the kitchen than whether I was prepared to spend the rest of my life being responsible for a further human being."

This is the article in question so you can read it in context, should you wish to.

I am not a 100% pro-lifer or a 100% pro-choicer, but somewhere in the middle, dithering. When the article came out I was pregnant with an unplanned third child. Reading it made me upset, and now, less hormonal, it still makes me uncomfortable.

It is SO annoying when people post at length about their opinions whilst making sarky comments about being how they're "not allowed" to hold those opinions on MN, as if they're really bold daring rebels to dare say what they think .

AFAI recall, in the long recent thread a few people have cited here about abortion, it was the pro-choice-without-guilt posters who were repeatedly told what they were/were not allowed to think.

Mouldies? Oh yes!! I've been here for a while

Big news. Someone's views on abortion make some other people uncomfortable. It's not remotely relevant here what any of us think: the fact is that an ENTIRE THREAD started solely to personally attack someone as a cunt for doing something that hundreds of women on here have done should really go, and the discussion should move to a new thread.

my last post was directed at a post which has been deleted, I think - can't see it now anyway. Not at you, lenin.

"It is SO annoying when people post at length about their opinions whilst making sarky comments about being how they're "not allowed" to hold those opinions on MN, as if they're really bold daring rebels to dare say what they think hmm."

agreed, DM, it's utter bullshit. i hereby ban anyone from saying 'we are not allowed to say x on MN'. you're allowed to say whatever you fucking want, so long as it doesn't personally attack another. such as in this OP.

Dirty, I don't think I'm a rebel or daring, I'll say whatever i like - I'm not scared of a bunch of women on a chat forum! Now I've seen the full quote I'm afraid it does make me uncomfortable and certainly doesn't represent to me anything to celebrate about the feminist movement and how great things are for women. I just find it very sad.

You are kind of illustrating my point all over again, findabetterrolemodel, with the "I'll say whatever I like, I'm not scared" stuff.

Why on earth would you be scared of the other women here? None of us would have ever thought you would be. It just sounds like you are congratulating yourself on daring to say what you think. News flash: that is what everyone does on MN.

Anyway, this thread is not the place to debate abortion. It's a fucked-up thread based entirely on a personal attack, and should go. Someone can start a new damn thread to castigate the insufficiently guilt-ridden.

I remember reading Caitlin's article and getting what she meant; I never doubted for a moment that I would terminate, I knew immediately that it was the right thing to do for me for various reasons and I didnt need to agonise over it, althought it wasnt something I did lightly.

However, the whole 'kitchen worktops' thing just hands people a stick to beat you with doesnt it? People latch on to it and throw their arms in the air and screech things like 'baby killer' and tut at where feminism has lead us. Who needs it? I think statements like that lead to us getting sidetracked in explanations and justifications; it did seem a bit provocative to me but I'm sure Caitlin knew what sort of response it'd get.

"Anyway, this thread is not the place to debate abortion. It's a fucked-up thread based entirely on a personal attack, and should go. Someone can start a new damn thread to castigate the insufficiently guilt-ridden."

Agree entirely with this sentiment.

Honestly I don't see the problem with that quote. I guess it's a bit provocatively worded, but just because a decision is important doesn't mean it's difficult, or doesn't have a no-brainer answer at the time.

It took me all of 5 seconds to accept my husband's proposal - that doesn't devalue the seriousness of marriage. In certain circumstances I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to approve withdrawal of life support from a loved one (one relative has exceptionally strong views on the subject and a specific medical condition). Sometimes you just know instantly that one decision is the right one for you, and for a lot of women the time it takes to buy the test and take it is all the tome they need to decide.

Yeah, I agree with the sentiment completely, like I said, I knew immediately myself that I would terminate. I suppose I just find posts like the OP's hugely irritating and feel like that quote hands them some hysterical ammunition.

Good for her for speaking out. the more people who speak out, the less acceptable judging will be. There's a lot of pro-life judging imo. Oh it's a valid opinion of course, blah blah blah. But it's an opinion about how somebody ELSE should have lived their life and what choices somebody ELSE ought to have made.

I find her funny. Wasn't aware that there was like a Caitlin Moran religion thing going on on mn. Haven't seen her mentioned here.

She's been mentioned recently but that's because she has a book out, it's #1 on Amazon and generally a big deal. No ongoing worship that I've noticed.

i can see nothing wrong with that quote. It is worded provocatively because she needs headlines to promote her column.

I fell pregnant. My DS was only a few weeks old. The pregnancy was the product of rape by my violent and abusive partner. I knew, the moment i pissed on that stick, that i would not, could not have another child at that time.

there was no agonised deliberation. I did not spend days or weeks, not even hours trying to weigh up the options.

I knew what i would do without even thinking twice.

I do not regret that decision, though i do regret having to.

In contrast i have been looking for wallpaper for my bedroom. I have been perusing DIY stores for the past 2 fucking months trying to decide.
SO yes, i can absolutely appreciate where CM is coming from with her statement.

but then, i guess that makes me a selfish cunt

Caitlin Moran is not stupid. When she wrote the line about kitchen worktops she knew that dullards like the OP would jump all over it.

She's making a point, a feminist point. When women exercise their choice not to continue a pregnancy, they are expected to give the rest of their lives over to guilt, chastening themselves, feeling the keening loss of the child that could have been. Society just can't accept somehow that a woman can choose to be pregnant, and she can choose not to be.

Who????

What do you mean, who?

Exactly Mamazon - wallpaper isn't going to change your life, you can take months to decide if you like and nothing bad will happen, the choice won't be taken away from you.

hey, whats with all the deleted posts? i have seen people tell ops to fuck off hundreds of times and not get deleted. do we have new rules on mumsnet now? do i have to find somewhere less twee?