to think that MN is descending into class war?

[Hullygully]

Today I have read a comment that someone's potential home looks like "a council house on a sink estate," seen a debate about "chav fashion," vile comments about "Poor Kids" etc and seen numerous threads over the past few days where people fight to gang up together against the infesting lower orders with their bad grammar, poor articulation, txt spk and poor spelling.

WTF people?

It is snobbery. Nothing else.

I have to be honest, I am not a fan of text speak. It is easier for my small brain to read when simply spelt out. It is not due to dyslexia as DH does text in full English, but some of the spellings are a bit odd (due to him being dyslexic). I don't understand why text speak is common on public forum sites when they don't charge for word usage.

However, there has been many threads of late which imply that all the new users are bringing down the tone of the forum as a whole.

I have seen a quote along the lines of "Once MN was full of educated women who read The Times, now it is full of women who would normally have been lowered to NM'.

Personally, I have always enjoyed the range of people on MN, plus the varied debates. I don't care what class people are from, as long as they share similar values to me. If they don't I am curious enough to ask why, and perhaps I can learn something new from others. I don't come here to class bash.

(maybe that's where I am going wrong ).

Mumcentreplus. I agree. I'm just fucking tired of people looking surprised when they actually dig a little deeper and find out more about me. Consequently I detest talking about myself. I hate the class system in this country. I hate how people have to organise themselves into golf clubs and rotary clubs or whatever just so they can feel exclusive and make themselves feel more important. I detest the low expectations people have of children and adults who come from poorer areas.

Lenin. I am stubborn too. Stubborn enough to never take no for an answer or feel constricted by expectations. However, I am clearly cursed with too much sensitivity as well...

My punctuation is random. I can't spell. I will take the piss out of people's spelling when they're trolling starting nasty threads with broad, judgy statements. It annoys them and they deserve it.

Text speak is bloody annoying. I don't think it's a bad thing to keep this place largely text speak free. I think you could argue that it's an ageist thing. I'm 32 and can't be doing with that shit [old gimmer]

Some of the comments on the house thread are really spiteful and mean. And yes, rather snobbish.

But as someone who started a thread bemoaning text speak, can I just say that I wasn't motivated by class, snobbery, money, what people's husbands do etc.

I just want to be able to bloody well read properly crafted sentences containing actual words. FFS.

I hate text speak Soooooooo much, but I hate judgey people even more. I have friends who are middle class professionals who use text speak and friends from working class backgrounds who use it. I really don't think it's a class thing at all and it's quite ignorant to assume so. IMO. I've read a few threads on here recently that have made me feel a bit sad. I love the fact that there's a good mix of people but don't like the fact that some people think it's okay to judge others because of their use of language or social background. I don't come on here for that. Lets just all be nice and love each other.

I admire how rational you are Lenin

I don't know if it's a class thing or something else but I'm really surprised how many boasters, shit-stirrers and liars there are amongst some really fab posters.

I think MN is a bit nuts at the moment and it seems to be at the point of implode... perhaps that's what's needed before it settles down again.

I have always fought the corner of the working class on here ,I'm constantly told I have a chip on my shoulder or its inverse snobbery

I need to work on that Lenin. Problem is, lots of problems at the moment.

lenin, it has to be
If I'm happy in my house why should I feel a need to diss my neighbour's?
it's like those kids at school that are bullied and turn into bullies
no one secure in their status, intellect or standing in the world has any need to big themselves up by making others feel small

Mumsnet make books from this site, can you imagine buying a childcare book in text speak. If not wishing to purchase

           Lkn aftr yr bub rulz

Makes me a snob, that snob I shall be.

not a paperback
actually an ebook might do well

Good post reindeerbollocks

What Lenin said. Although I do aspire to that don't give a fuckness, I'm getting there.

I do get very riled about the assumptions people make on here though, a lot of people seem to regard "the chavs" and "underclass" as some separate species, the less intelligent as worth less.

I see it more on other forums though, even forums likely to attract the younger internet user, some jumped up keyboard warrior picking on every single word of a generally well intentioned post.

besti...be who you are love...enjoy and accept this about you...seriously NO ONE is perfect...put this place and any other into perspective...

I have seen a quote along the lines of "Once MN was full of educated women who read The Times, now it is full of women who would normally have been lowered to NM'.

Does the NM stand for netmums? I must say, the constant mocking of netmums and 'huns' does come across as a wee bit snobby at times. I'm not sure the netmums thing is just about tickers and huns, something about the sneering comes across as slightly classist. Or maybe I just have a chip on my shoulder

what pisses me off is 'chav' as a concept was an invention my the 'meeedia' all of a sudden burberry was lost and WAGs ruled the world...chav means a small child not a dodgy hoody in designer clothing with major bad taste