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to think dogs should be banned from beaches from April to September

379 replies

tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 03/06/2011 22:04

Two words: DOGS MESS!!

OP posts:
80sMum · 05/06/2011 16:52

OP, I think you are definitely NOT being unreasonable, though I'm afraid you and I are in the minority, it seems!

babybythesea · 05/06/2011 17:07

What annoys me about threads like this is that the owners, on the whole, are agreeing that dog mess left behind is unpleasant. Many have mentioned that they are restricted as to where they can take their dogs (eg not on certain beaches during certain months), so clearly an effort is being made to ensure that people who don't want dogs around can have that dog free space. And we are all agreed that there are people who take major liberties with that - taking their dog into a dog free zone.
And yet, the response from the anti-dog sector is to shout 'ban all dogs from everywhere that I might ever want to go.' There doesn't seem to be anyone calling for some kind of enforcment of the restrictions already in place, for example. Just 'I saw this man letting his dog poo here so all dogs need to be banned from all beaches except in the middle of winter (when I am not there).'

I just find it a bit frustrating. I realise dog mess is deeply unpleasant. I also have a small child and hate having her randomly step in it. But I also have a dog who is a big part of the enjoyment that my dd, my dh and I get out of life. She comes with us to the beach because a beach day wouldn't be complete without her. I just choose beaches where I know she can go. Just as it is not fair to expect people who hate dogs to have to put with them jumping up and scaring them, neither is it fair to curtail the enjoyment that my family and I get out of a rural lifestyle (which we chose because we wanted a dog to be part of it).

FWIW I hate people who play radios to the beach at full volume, and those who use those kite things attached to wheels to speed around on the sand. They impact on my ability to enjoy a beach because I either have to listen to stuff I really don't want to when what I want is a natural sounding environment, and I have to watch my dd to ensure she isn't running in front of one. But others do enjoy these things and my rights to enjoy my day have to be balanced with theirs.

I think the best analogy is a car. Not everyone chooses to own one. There are rules and restrictions in place to protect everyone. They can be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. There are many fatal accidents and often those involved are hurt through no fault of their own. But no-one then shouts 'ban all cars' or suggests that they should be banned from all public places. We just look for more effective restrictions or enforcement, recognising that the majority are sensible.

The thing is that dog owners who are sensible start getting defensive because the idea that all dogs should be banned from public areas, or only walked on leads (which wouldn't be any sort of exercise for my dog), or muzzled (something I would be extremely unhappy at doing with mine) impinges on us massively. I accept that non-doggy people are not overjoyed to see my dog - but then she's not often walked where other people are (excepting dog owners!) because of where we live. And she's trained, she comes to heel and if I see something that I am unsure about (if someone approaches us on a bike for example, I don't know what she will do and if there's any chance of either her or the biker getting hurt because she gets excited at the new thing) then she goes on a lead. The most she does is sidle up to someone if they stick their hand out to greet her, but she's really not interested in people other than me, my dh and our dd. I've put the effort in to get a dog that is a pleasure for me to be around, and who is trustworthy, but I'm not complacent and watch her all the time.

The reality is that dogs won't be banned because there are too many people who enjoy them. We would also have to be careful about working dogs and how any restrictions applied (we can recogise a guide dog easily, but what about those who are used to detect their owner's imminent epileptic fit?). Instead of shouting 'ban' and 'don't ban' could we not have a proper conversation about it?

I have accepted that in my county, my home, there are places I cannot go if I wish to take my dog. (NB for whoever it was who came to Cornwall, there's a leaflet called 'Cornwall for dog owners' which has a big map in the middle showing which beaches you won't be able to go to, which ones are seasonal use only and which ones you can visit all year round.) So please, if you dislike dogs, can you also accept that there are places you would be better off not going to, find the alternatives, as I had to do, and if restrictions are not being observed, look for solutions to that issue instead of demanding that I am then banned from the remaining places I can go to. Because really, if current restrictions are not observed, what makes you think that increasing restrictions would be more likely to be observed?

babybythesea · 05/06/2011 17:10

Busyboysmum A lovely walk in the Lake District in a National Trust park was ruined by the little bags of poo hanging in hedges and placed on walls, why on earth can't people take these away with them> If I change my baby's nappy I don't leave it there to disgust everyone else.'

With you on that. It's foul. But can I point out that what you have just said is what dog owners are also trying to say? You take your baby's nappy away with you. But I have been to places, including beaches, and seen discarded nappies so clearly not everyone does take the nappy with them. So, should I be calling for a ban of children still in nappies, because some parents don't bother to remove the dirty one? Because essentially, that is what is being said about dogs.

zanz1bar · 05/06/2011 17:29

Well said babybythesea

Really can't add any more

MilaMae · 05/06/2011 17:41

I wouldn't mind dogs allowed on some beaches if they were kept on leads at all times,they're not.

Dogs like to sniff,route about as well as chase jump over etc. The minute dogs are off leads they all tend to do the above. Only this weekend the family with the dog off the lead that should have been on left it to paddle and it was immediately coming over,sniffing our picnic stuff and terrifying the kids.I don't want any dog with it's germ infested teeth filled mouth sniffing my picnic bag,treading on my picnic blanket.

This is routine behaviour and not something anybody should have to put up with on a regular basis.

Chummybud1 · 05/06/2011 17:42

Dogs should be banned completely or they should separate the beach into sections. Or better still owners should pick up the crap

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 17:48

most beaches are dog free,here in brighton we have dog free,nudist and dogs allowed,if you dont want to be near a dog or naked person then go to another part of the beach,not hard is it?if you know dogs may be there,go to a different part.
as for the comment about a grem ridden dogs mouth,human mouth is 100 times worse so keep you bloody kids away for my dog!

busyboysmum · 05/06/2011 17:53

Hmm well on our lovely walks out and about I have never seen a baby's nappy left but I have seen hundreds of dog poo bags, the trouble with them is you'd be better just letting the dog crap in the bushes then at least it would bio-degrade!! To go to all the trouble to scoop it into a bag and THEN hang it from a tree, or stick it in a wall seems downright bizzarre to me! We've even been blackberrying and reached for a juicy blackberry only to... yuck!

bigbuttons · 05/06/2011 17:53

ddubsgirl, yes most beaches are supposedly dog free here in Brighton. I have never known that to be true in reality though. Whenever I am on the beach with my kids in the spring/summer months on a "dog free beach" there are bloody dogs, leaping all over people's stuff and pissing all over the place.
Their owners clearly don't give a shit about the rules of dog free beaches.
Dog owners' rights or something no doubtHmm

MilaMae · 05/06/2011 17:53

My kids don't go and slobber over other people's picnics and if you bothered to read the rest of the thread you'd see dog bites due to the germs they carry need hospital treatment and can result in death if not treated(sepsis).

DooinMeCleanin · 05/06/2011 17:53

ddubs that would be too easy, though, wouldn't it? And sensible, far too sensible. Anti dog people need all the beaches to themselves. How dare you suggest they go to one of the many dog free beaches Shock

bigbuttons · 05/06/2011 17:56

I repeat THERE ARE NO DOG FREE BEACHES

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 17:58

lol i know.we were at the beach last summer and had a woman rant at me cos my dog was sitting with us,told her to sod of,dog free beach was 20 yards back the other side of the huge concrete water break,go there instead,this part dogs all allowed so yes people were playing with thier dogs and running in and out of the water(apart from mine cos he hates water lol).
most beaches will have a dog free part,just read the signs before you go on to it!god sick of these pet bashing threads!

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 17:59

bigbuttons,come to brighton cos there are here

DooinMeCleanin · 05/06/2011 18:00

There are plenty of them here. There are also dog free sections of parks. If people are flouting the rules in Brighton contact the dog warden. Whining on MN is not going to help the situation is it?

FWIW I have seen dirty nappies being left on beaches, but it's mainly drinks cans and wrappers. Perhaps picnics should be banned, since some people cannot be bothered to clean up after them?

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 18:01

Beaches we can be proud of
Clean seas and tidy beaches await bathers this summer as the city has retained its two Blue Flag awards.

Blue Flags are an international symbol of coastal cleanliness awarded for litter-free beaches, clean water and good facilities. Beaches opposite West Street and Grand Avenue have secured the award for the second year running.

Cabinet member for Environment Councillor Geoffrey Theobald said: ?It's easy to overlook how much work our seafront and environment teams do to keep our beaches beautiful. This is a great service to both residents and visitors.?

For safer bathing swim near lifeguards posted 10am to 7pm near the King Alfred, Grand Avenue, the Bandstand, West Street, either side or Brighton Pier and Duke's Mound. During school holiday afternoons others are stationed at Hove Lagoon, Ovingdean, Rottingdean and Saltdean.

Meanwhile it has been decided dog owners can continue to walk their pets on city beaches this summer. Following lengthy consultation, it was agreed to retain the current mix of dog free and friendly beaches.

There was a huge response both for and against. Dogs will be allowed on some beaches but the busiest beaches will remain dog free all summer.

The consultation attracted around 1,000 public responses, a 2,500-strong petition and 823 comments from the citizens' panel.

MilaMae · 05/06/2011 18:02

Bloody hell I've just checked the dog policy on all 4 of the local beaches we frequent which are safe and suitable for children.

1 has a dogs on lead policy as I mentioned,I didn't see one on a lead this week.

The other 3 all have a dog ban as mentioned in the op(with poss £500 fine).You'd never know, all of them have hoards of dogs on them in the summer!!!!! Hmmmm wondering if this might induce me to write my first ever letter to an MP. Will definitely start reporting those I see.

I mentioned the dogs off leads this week to the cp attendant and she offered to have words and ask them to move.I foolishly said no,not anymore.

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 18:05

off top of my head from the pier to peter pans is dog free-p/pans to marina dogs allowed.
rottingdean from the white horse pub to a few sections along are dog free,after that dogs are allowed
pier to hove dog free(i think,never been that way with the dog)
off beach dog has to be on lead at all times

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 18:06

mila some beaches allow dogs in colder months most mar-sept are dog free

MilaMae · 05/06/2011 18:11

Yes it's during these summer months I've seen hoards of them.

fifi25 · 05/06/2011 18:17

Well my beach (Whitley Bay) has a dog exercise area so if anyone comes near me and complains i will tell them to piss off back to their side of the beach. I have just looked and out of 5 beaches near me there is only one which doesnt allow dogs and the other have restricted areas. Sounds like people are straying into the dog areas to me

MilaMae · 05/06/2011 18:21

No 1 was lead only,the other 3 were dog free in the summer months so dog owners are where they shouldn't be and letting dogs off leads when they shouldn't.

babybythesea · 05/06/2011 18:21

bigbuttons: 'ddubsgirl, yes most beaches are supposedly dog free here in Brighton. I have never known that to be true in reality though. Whenever I am on the beach with my kids in the spring/summer months on a "dog free beach" there are bloody dogs, leaping all over people's stuff and pissing all over the place.
Their owners clearly don't give a shit about the rules of dog free beaches.
Dog owners' rights or something no doubt'

But that is the infrigement you need to do something about.. write to MPs or whatever. Like the people that choose to speed at 70 mph past a school where there are clearly signs stating 20, those individuals are being anti-social. Would you react in that situation by saying 'all cars must be banned from a radius of 5 miles around a school?' Do you really think banning dogs from all the remaining beaches, that we can currently visit, will make the slightest bit of difference? We clearly need to find a way of policing this more carefully, so that a dog free beach is just that, and those of us who want the freedom to exercise their dogs on a beach have some areas in which they can do this. That way, there should be no need to infringe the enjoyment of either party as there will be dog free areas and those in which dogs are welcome (only, please don't walk here and then complain about the dogs!) Dog owners do not need to have access to every single beach, but we do have rights to have access to some, just the same as those who dislike dogs have a right to have access to some dog free spaces, but do not have the rights to turn every single public space into a dog free zone. It's about balance.

And if an inconsiderate few don't abide by it, sort them out, don't over-react and ban everything.

ddubsgirl · 05/06/2011 18:28

the beaches have wardens on them and life guards,find one and report it,if its a dog free beach then fair enough,dog & owner shouldnt be on there.

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