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To want to throttle women who talk their kids in REALLY LOUD VOICES

369 replies

bbird1 · 29/05/2011 21:55

in public for no apparent reason. It's just bloody annoying. Just pipe down ffs!

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HeadfirstForHalos · 30/05/2011 23:08

I haven't found any of the funny posts offensive either. I particularly liked the PO post with Lady Marchmaine who I'm sure was a character from Brideshead revisited

Goblinchild · 30/05/2011 23:08

We could have T shirts.
Reversible ones to flip over when we are not actively parenting a child with SN, just being loud and overly educational about stuff. Or is that just me?

MavisEnderby · 30/05/2011 23:09

Lol.With ds I am a pretty quiet Mum.With dd I have to explain things LOUDLY and SLOWLY.obviously it wouldn't be of the "Jocasta yes a potato is a tuber" variety" more of the "DD use your SPOON not your FINGERS".

Animation · 30/05/2011 23:09

"sometimes it can be hard to tell apart the "show offs" and the mums that are just trying their best."

I know.

mummissinghermind · 30/05/2011 23:11

goblin love that idea brilliant! what you staring at on front yes,my dc has sn arsehole.Grin

HeadfirstForHalos · 30/05/2011 23:14

I would need 2 t-shirts, one for when I'm trying to engage my SN dc, and one for when I'm talking to my eldest and forget she doesn't have SN. She quite often gives me this look Hmm

MmeLindor. · 30/05/2011 23:14

Goblin
One side of tshirt could say "I am not a pushy parent, my child has SN"

Other side: "You may address me as Lady Marchmaine, peasant"

A least the MNetters would understand the reference.

PumpkinBones · 30/05/2011 23:20

I've read quite a few threads about this parenting on phenomenon on MN but never witnessed it in real life. Is it because I shop in Asda?

PumpkinBones · 30/05/2011 23:21

erroneous on - too much wine.

mummissinghermind · 30/05/2011 23:22

pumpkin dd and i have howled at every supermarket there is, nay our dulcet tones have even been heard in Birminghams famous Rag AlleyGrin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 31/05/2011 00:55

MmeLindor
Even though the more serious discussions, there have been funny comments. I don't see why we can only have light hearted OR serious threads.

I can quite see why it's not possible to have both on one thread; this thread is a perfect example. The serious issue overtakes everything, every discussion and any levity then seems misplaced given that some posters make the thread about their own circumstances and some fail to read/correctly interpret what others have written. It is a public forum, anybody can post anywhere they choose but that goes for everybody then, not just those who want to discuss their own personal circumstances. This was a really amusing thead; it's been killed.

HeadfirstForHalos · 31/05/2011 01:04

Okay, i think we're forgetting this is in AIBU.

The title of this thread is (AIBU) To want to throttle women who talk their kids in REALLY LOUD VOICES

Some people think this is unreasonable, or a little bit unreasonable.

I think OP is a bit U, for the reasons I've previously mentioned. I don't care if she or anybody else agrees, it's just my opinion. There have been some funny replies too.

PiousPrat · 31/05/2011 01:25

DS1 has AS, Dyspraxia and the same weird hearing thing that I do which means we can't 'tune out' extraneous noise, we lack the 'cocktail party hearing' function so when we have conversations they tend to be on the loud side. I am also partially deaf so have trouble regulating my own volume and as such, both the DC have grown up used to things being loud. Added to that my insistence on using the same vocabulary with the DC that I do with my peers and I'm sure I probably come across as a pretentious twat at times.

Not in the supermarket, because they are hell so I get the nice man in the van to deliver it for me, but on the bus or in town yep, we absolutely prattle on most of the time. Because of the way DS1's brain is wired and his short attention span though, our conversations end up being so bizarre that I'm sure more people are wondering WTF we are on about than are thinking I am showing off.

A typical 25 minute bus ride conversation would cover topics like the coal miners strike, Proportional Representation, giant squid, Pokemon cards, PC vs Mac, gender inequality and that funny thing that happened in the Simpsons last night (actual example from last week). Each topic shift makes total sense to DS1 and me at the time, as he has quite a convoluted way of thinking and one aspect of a subject sends him off in unexpected directions and we are both so used to this it seems perfectly normal. It is usually only when DS2 (NT) asks how the conversation started that we tend to realise how disparate the topics were. Still, I have never had any comments on it from other bus users, apart from the occasional little old lady saying how nice it is to see a mother engaging and educating her child, and I like to think that if anyone has been unfortunate enough to be trapped within earshot , that they might have learnt something themselves Wink

On the plus side, my DC have an excellent vocabulary for their ages which helps them be understood by other adults and to engage at an adult level. The downside of that is that I am so used to explaining what words mean after using them in context ie "we've covered quite a disparate, that means very different from each other, range of topics haven't we?" that I do it all the time. To everyone. I have been walking through town sans kids with DP before now and been doing it and he has to stop and remind me who I am talking to Blush

I think there is often a clear difference between educating your child and being a pretentious twat though. Using the post office example from up thread, I might have said "this parcel is for Granny, but the people in the sorting office don't know who Granny is because lots of people call their grandmother Granny, so we use her proper name. Yes Mrs X at school is called Mrs and Granny is called Lady. There are lots of titles people have like Mrs, Miss, Lady, Sir, Mr, Reverend and Doctor. Yes Uncle Pete is called a Doctor but he isn't a doctor like the man who gave you medicine because he is a doctor of Biology. You can get a qualification called a doctorate in lots of subjects which means you can be called a doctor so not all doctors are medical people. Yes that is a bit confusing, I suppose that is why some people in America are quite specific about doctor and medical doctor."

Long winded? Hell yes. Pretentious? Depends on your ideas about further education and Uncle Pete's PhD really Wink Loud? Quite possibly. Way better than a 10 year old with a loud voice repeatedly asking the same question and going into meltdown if he doesn't understand the answer? Your call

5DollarShake · 31/05/2011 01:44

To be honest, if I was a parent of a child with SEN, I'd be the most pissed off and judgy of 'performance parents' out of everyone, since they're the ones creating an atmosphere conducive of judginess and making it so hard for y'all. Wink

For what it's worth I'd never say anything to anyone or openly express my judginess annoyance. It's just an internal 'get a load of him/her' thing to myself. God, I hardly ever encounter these people anyway so am rarely, if ever, in a position to be annoyed by them. I just took the thread in the spirit in which it was intended. If anyone can honestly say that they never inwardly roll their eyes at anyone, then well done, you're a far better person that I can ever aspire to be. :)

And I still maintain that most people with any nous can tell a performance parenter, even if they can't tell a child with SEN.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 31/05/2011 01:52

I know what you mean 5DollarShake... I find myself backing away from loud people, I often fear that they're going to involve me in their one-man-pantomime if I so much as make eye contact. I do snigger to myself though when I hear a loud parenting class going on by the mangoes with the wrong info being bellowed imparted. Grin

5DollarShake · 31/05/2011 02:03
Grin

Your point earlier in the thread resonated, actually - my mother always got down to our level to speak to us when out and about, as least if she had to impart anything in a sterner than usual fashion. She would never in a million years have been loud enough to involve onlookers in the exchange. I do think it's a more recent phenomenon. Obviously she was fortunate, of course, that neither of us had special needs whereby she had to raise her voice.

I dunno - maybe it's my issue and I care too much what people think. Grin Being loud or drawing attention to myself in any way is anathema to me, so it's probably more that I just can't relate to such people at all. And I do still mean performance parenters; not parents of children with SEN.

funnyspelling · 31/05/2011 07:38

I blame mumsnet myself Grin. Whereas before I would just buy little Channel a fruiit shoot and milky bar silently, now I have to justify

"Oh Channel, aren't these organic bananas tasty! " and performance parent all the way round Asda's in case any other mumsnetters are around...

hazeyjane · 31/05/2011 08:43

I am going to pile in late and say YABU.

A friend of mine talks to her dds in a way that I get the impression a lot of you would roll your eyes at, right down to the Latin names for plants, but you know what, she is lovely, her children are lovely and they are all happy.

Who gives a monkeys whether people want to discuss the merits of Fairtrade bananas with their children. Dd2 has spectacular meltdowns sometimes and I have been known to talk loudly about all sorts of stuff and sing , anything just to distract her, if it gets us home, I don't really care what other people think.

As for some of the comments about parents of children with SN, I am speechless at the lack of empathy and level of ignorance. 'permanently offended' and telling people to fuck off, ffs.

WillYouTellMe · 31/05/2011 08:58

Wow interesting thread.

I was immediately reminded of the lady I used to share a bus with every morning years ago, way before I had children. She had a 3 yo and a young baby in a sling. She was reading Lord of the rings to him/them and every day she would read through and they would talk about the story. I was so in awe of her and the way she engaged with her children. She spoke very quietly though but clearly enough for many people to hear her, but it was a joy really and I used to look forward to seeing them and listening to the story.

I must be honest sometimes the loud bellowing to newborn babies about the merits of root vegetables does make me to a double-take in supermarkets sometimes. But sincerely the only thing that upsets and riles me is when I see parents ignoring a baby or child or worse yelling obscenities at them Sad.

Threadworm8 · 31/05/2011 09:08

I guess that in my case I mocked that particular kind of loud parneting because it is something I have recognised myself doing too: we are all hardest on the fualts we secretly identify with. Of course chatting merrily to your children about whatever you want to, regardless of people around you, is lovely. But sometimes it is done with an excruciating consciousness of the people around us, and it is partly aimed at them. So as a bystander you feel a little roped in to a performance of parenthood, which is annoying. The performance is a product of anxiety, of course, and of the way that as mothers we all feel a little bit like public property, like people it is legitimate to scrutinise. And sometimes it is done with a bit of forgivable pfb fantasy. Like Pag desribed but luckily often without the vomit.

I utterly take the point about all the various kinds of SN and SEN that require special communication strategies, and of course it is good that people have pointed that out on the thread. But I still think it is fine to poke fun at the phenomenon of loud 'performance' parenting that is the target of the thread: it is a form of self-mockery deep down and where would we be without that.

jugglingwiththreeshoes · 31/05/2011 09:19

Excellent post threadworm8 Smile

MmeLindor. · 31/05/2011 09:24

Yes, exactly.

HJ
I can remember watching a family in a restaurant and being so impressed with their communication. They were not talking about anything particularly poncy, but they were talking and laughing together. We were at that point not yet parents, but this snapshot of a happy family has stayed with me over the years.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 31/05/2011 10:57

I just studiously ignore any loud parenting and absolutely refuse to engage. If it's a Mum with a SN child then she won't need to be concerned that I'm looking at her.

If it's a pretentious-parent, I'm depriving them of their audience. Why do the pretentious parents do it though? Surely they can't think that everybody will think well of them? Baffling. Confused

Mumofaflump · 31/05/2011 11:24

I was in a cafe at the weekend having a hangover curing fry-up breakfast.

All I could hear, the whole time was a conversation between two grown men.

"Well, I'm taking delivery of my brand new 11 plate Aston today."

"Oh really? My AMG Mercedes arrived last week."

"Mine has 6700 bhp."

"Mine has an incorporated space shuttle."

Etc, etc.

There were no children involved in this conversation but I imagine this is the kind of thing the OP is on about?

bbird1 · 31/05/2011 11:50

Funny you should mention men, Mumofaflump. I have noticed that dads tend to be a lot calmer and less loud around their children in public. It's always the women who put on this ridiculously loud pretend assertive voice. I guess women with young kids generally are just quite annoying.

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