TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

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The Government are intent on cutting disability benefits by 20%. That figure is entirely arbitrary, nothing to do with fraud or actually need. It's to do with saving money.

That being the case, if they truly believe that they are justified in doing that, then at least have the balls to say 'we're doing this because we ideologically believe that everyone will have to face the cuts, including the disabled'.

Of course, they won't, 'cos they don't want people to think they are nasty fuckers, so starts the manipulation of public opinion by pretending there's a huge problem with fraud in claiming disability, when there isn't.

It even made the national news last night, ffs. Call me cynical, but since when have 2 apparently dodgy claims of DLA been headline news? Is the world really so lacking in news right now? Perhaps it's just a coincidence

I'm one of those swanning around with my blue badge Nijinsky, looking fraudulent to the likes of you. I'll swap you my blue badge and my cancer tomorrow, in exchange for a few years seeing my DS grow up, if you're up for the deal?

"The Government are intent on cutting disability benefits by 20%. That figure is entirely arbitrary, nothing to do with fraud or actually need. It's to do with saving money."

If its just to do with saving money, they could have made it 50%.

No - 20% is more likely an unofficial figure for fraud. The oft quoted 'only 1%' defence is a joke. Is there anyone out there who doesnt know someone who is on the disability when they shouldnt be? Fact is - they lost control of the system and people know how to play it, so the rules need to change again.

Until they can explain why:

. The UK has a lot more disability than similar countries.
. There is proportionally more 'disability' in areas of high unemployment
. Disability claims shot up over the last 10 years, so much so that even Scouses beloved Labour recognised the problem.

Then I'm afraid that genuine DLA claimants are just going to have to jump through hoops one more time to demonstrate their illnesses.

'Then I'm afraid that genuine DLA claimants are just going to have to jump through hoops one more time to demonstrate their illnesses.'

I'd be happy with one more time. dd is 17 - we've jumped through hoops maybe 6 times now. And about to do it all over again

I think that is the point. DLA and incapacity are claimed by people not entitled to it. Statistics show that we have a much greater level of disability than similar countries and I'm sorry but lots of people do know someone fradulently claiming. The 1% only refers to someone fradulently claiming where it has been proven. This is almost impossible to do with mental health problems.

There are also crazy aspects of it such as the people on DLA who are also claiming carers allowance for themselves and alcoholics and drug addicts who get DLA. I know someone who is an alcoholic and genuinely struggles with everyday life so I can see why he would meet the criteria. But giving him more money really doesn't help him at all - and in fact it makes it easier for him to drink more. He is not an example of fraud, but he is an example of some of the crazy aspects of DLA.

I actually think the expansion of who is considered disabled, has had a negative impact on severely disabled people. I know our council has cut services for severely disabled people whilst being able to say there is no cut overall for disabled people.

I think DLA for severley disabled people should be much higher. And I don't think for a minute that the general public want to see this group of people affected by the cuts.

leslley33 3 cheers for your analysis Disabled and put through threatening interview after interview to save 30 quid a week is not on. Its a money making exercis. The Ministers are told NOT to admit that. Disabled people are stressedand rightly distrustful of the secretive medical exam.Why is not thgeir doctors word good enough? Because the system is designed to boot them to joseekers allowance often regardless of their condition ATOS HAS BEEN MENTIONED. A BIG PLAYER IN THE GAME. We need to know more about their practises. Young women seem to be employed as decision makers.

I have previously said that I'm not happy that genuinely disabled people are being put through this stress. But I do want the Government to tackle fraud and the inherent crazy aspects of DLA I mentioned.

one per cent fraud level Lesley. Much bigger percentage will not claim due to tabloid scroungerheadlines.

BURNLEY lancs. The scheme was trialed there. They are the experts....A selct committe of MPs was taken to Burnley to meat distressed disability claimants. It was lively.It was tearful. Look it up. It made interesting reading. Someone may put up a link to it. (what jobs are there for the disabled to do? Nearly a million young fit people unemployed.....come on Cameron, we were notall born yesterday.

The 1% must all live near me.

1% fraud figure is the level of proven fraud. However it is very difficult to prove fraud when it comes to mental health problems. And how do you know people will not claim due to headlines in newspapers?

Great article on oerceptions and benefit fraud www.facebook.com/extern/login_status.php?api_key=52254943976&app_id=52254943976&channel_url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D2%23cb%3Df209876a64%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmediacdn.disqus.com%252Ff3f99dd4e8%26relation%3Dparent.parent%26transport%3Dpostmessage&display=hidden&extern=2&locale=en_US&method=auth.status&next=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D2%23cb%3Df149daeaf8%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmediacdn.disqus.com%252Ff3f99dd4e8%26relation%3Dparent%26transport%3Dpostmessage%26frame%3Df69e06cec%26result%3D%2522xxRESULTTOKENxx%2522&no_session=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D2%23cb%3Df36bc14a1c%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmediacdn.disqus.com%252Ff3f99dd4e8%26relation%3Dparent%26transport%3Dpostmessage%26frame%3Df69e06cec&no_user=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D2%23cb%3Df3b4b59618%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmediacdn.disqus.com%252Ff3f99dd4e8%26relation%3Dparent%26transport%3Dpostmessage%26frame%3Df69e06cec&ok_session=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D2%23cb%3Df3b5677524%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmediacdn.disqus.com%252Ff3f99dd4e8%26relation%3Dparent%26transport%3Dpostmessage%26frame%3Df69e06cec&sdk=joey&session_version=3here

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that took me to my facebook page

Does the last link work?

Riven - You know I'm not an idiot I do know all that. The fraud I know about is when people have said they are defrauding to get benefits, it is not based on my prejudices.

The temperature of the home thing. Children with no movement are more susceptible to cold than elderly people. Or do some begrudge old people their winter fuel payments?

yes the last link works

Then report them lesley. But so many believe the Daily Shite.especially if they see you do one thing. I can pass the ATOS 'fit for work' thing (not that im claiming out of work benefits) by walking 50 yards. That walk would put me in bed for a week but ATOS would not see that. Someone like me would be classed as 'fit for work' and lose ESA. Its a crude test driven by goals, not reality.
But if you know of fraud then report it. If you are 100% sure

we need to concentrate on what the ToryLed govt are doing in this area of disability benefit squeeze. It goes on for the next four years

Yes I know I should but it is a family member. He has only told family he is doing that and if I reported it my family would be able to work out it was me. And tbh I don't want the consequences of this.

I have a genetic diability as does my partner and my partner also has bipolar. So I do understand about some disabilities.

I dont care if its a family member . He is stealing benevits from genuinely disabled people and abetting the witch-hunt against us that gets us called scroungers. You not reporting is aiding all this.

I'm amazed at all this fraud. Would somebody please tell me how to do it? My DP suffers from severe mental illness, if I knew how these "fraudsters" got through the Atos system, maybe I could get him through?

It seems highly unlikely to me, considering how difficult it is with a genuine illness, that a person could fake it.

Good article above, explodes some of the Daily Fail myths being put forward on this thread.