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To ignore DSS's Mum's demands about food because I just can't cope?

126 replies

balia · 27/05/2011 20:38

DSS is a vegetarian. I'm not, neither is DH, but we respect his Mum's choices and feed him a veggie diet when he is with us. There has always been quite a high level of anxiety about food (MH issues) and we've always tried hard to make sure DSS is comfortable and secure that he is being fed according to his mother's wishes (she went through a phase of examining his stools - sorry, TMI).

But now she has informed DH she is going to become a vegan. She wants DSS to be fed a vegan diet and what's more, she is going to be an 'ethical vegan' so no foods flown in from other countries, apparently, even as ingredients in other food (so no Mango yoghurt, which was the example given - but surely yoghurt would be out anyway as it is dairy?).

Oh God. I just cannot deal with this. I work full time, (as does DH) we have two other DC's, one doing GCSE's right now and the other just about to start Reception. We do our level best to keep everyone fed a healthy and nutritious diet, on a budget, including my Mum who lives with us. I find it hard to manage doing an alternative meal as it is, I just can't cope with trying to work out what the hell DSS can eat now. DH says we'll just have to go along with her and feed him as we do now - but he is already asking questions about where different foods come from.

AArgh.

OP posts:
Pictish · 27/05/2011 22:17

God what a massive pain in the arse!

I wouldn't do it, personally.

kaid100 · 27/05/2011 22:18

Sorry, just realised I misread the OP and in fact it's about a stepson not a stepdaughter, let me reword:

"It might be worth investigating the legality of her insisting ethical veganism now. It was previously established he would be vegetarian and you agreed to abide by that.. does that automatically mean you have to abide by veganism too? What does the som himself actually want to eat? Has he had the chance to put her own view forward?

Secondly, even if she can insist you provide DSS with Vegan food, can she really insist it is all from what she considers to be "ethical" sources in that they weren't flown in? It may be that can't insist the food comes from a particular place."

BuntyPenfold · 27/05/2011 22:20

I meant magically have enough home grown coconut etc for every meal all year.
Of course you ethically sourced his food - you didn't steal it, did you Wink

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:29

My children are lifelong vegetarians

Only on a very short life so far.They can and will make up their own minds later; they may follow or they may not.

I would just tell her that you don't have the time. She needs to make double portions when she is cooking and freeze them and send them along with DSS.

Cymar · 27/05/2011 22:38

Something doesn't seem right. Correct me if I'm wrong OP, but if I have got this right, the mother has MH and food issues, so has decided the lad had (initially) to go on a vegetarian diet. He hasn't decided for himself, but his mum has decided for him (essentially forcing him) to eat a ethically vegan diet. Have I got this right? Now, even though he's on a limited diet, he's overweight. Is he still gaining weight or staying at a steady weight and just not losing anything?

clam · 27/05/2011 22:42

Surely the ethics of where the ex sources her food are for her.
She surely cannot impose her ethics on you, even if you are feeding her son. The veggie part, fair enough - thundering nuisance, if I'm honest, but I'd nonetheless go along with it - but nutjob ethically sourced? Her idea, her problem, hers to deal with. Not yours.

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:45

I agree with clam-the ethical part is her problem. I still don't see why she can't bulk cook and send along frozen portions.

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:47

Has anyone actually asked the DSS? At 9yrs old he is old enough to be getting his own opinions.

LDNmummy · 27/05/2011 22:49

I tried being vegan for a week to see what it was like. It was pissing hard, and that is as an adult and only for a week.

She should not be this inflexible with a child where others have to provide meals to compliment a lifestyle choice she is imposing.

Can you guys not just talk to her about your concerns?

LordOfTheFlies · 27/05/2011 22:54

Definately she should supply his food.
Tell her you can't guarentee no cross contamination ( like they do in resturants regarding nut free food) .
My DH and I are vegetarians but our DCs are not by our choice. They can decide for themselves when they are teenagers.I found that 12-16 was the average age for people to convert,though all of my mates changed back.

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:54

Sorry-I see that he sees himself as vegetarian and it is probably due to his mother's control issues so you don't want her supplying food. You could do a huge batch yourself freeze. Just leave the ethical part as her problem.

GinAndWater · 27/05/2011 22:57

What LOTF said.
FFS-Her demands, her work , surely ?

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 27/05/2011 22:59

What happens at school?

Doodlez · 27/05/2011 22:59

Vegan Ready Meals from this website are fantastic. Buy a load in, stick 'em in yer freezer and then you've always got summat to give him when he's with you. Job done!

ChippingIn · 27/05/2011 23:09

LND - to be fair, any major change to a diet is 'pissing hard' the first week.

I would accommodate the 'vegan' part and do what I could reasonably do on the ethical part, but only in so much as buying locally grown when it's the same price etc - you aren't in a position for your food to cost more than it does already.

There are lots of lovely, easy, vegan meals that you can batch cook.

PaisleyLeaf · 27/05/2011 23:10

Looks like they're stopping business Doodlez.

ChippingIn · 27/05/2011 23:11

Doodlez - I'm not sure my credit card will thank you for that link Grin... but my tummy might!

ChippingIn · 27/05/2011 23:13

There are plenty of meals you can make for the whole family that are vegan though, without going to a lot of expense

ChippingIn · 27/05/2011 23:14

Oh are they Paisley, I didn't notice that... I might have to order quickly then!

ChippingIn · 27/05/2011 23:16

Too late - they've already closed :( what a shame, it looked lovely.

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 23:21

ChippingIn: Clive's Pies have a number of vegan options - both pies and other meals. htey are also, as an added bonus, often gluten free too.

I get mine from Goodness Direct.

Vallhala · 27/05/2011 23:34

exotic, you quoted: "My children are lifelong vegetarians"

and responded:

"Only on a very short life so far.They can and will make up their own minds later; they may follow or they may not."

Well that's a bit on a tangent-ish and nit-picky isn't it! :o C'mon, you know what I mean... that they have been vegetarian since birth. :)

(And they are 14 and 16 and so far how nothing but a strong and morally-based desire to continue being vegetarian, if you're interested!).

On topic, and I know that there are two camps on this, IMHO it is down to the parent in charge on a day to day basis to (within reason) make moral and health related choices for their child, be that not to eat meat, not to eat sweets, to eat meat or whatever. Even giving your child meat is a choice, albeit in England the 'default position', IYSWIM.

At the moment the mum, as (as far as I understand it) the parent with care whilst Dad sees DS for weekends, has made a decision on the behalf of her minor to live a vegan lifestyle. Nothing wrong with that per se, lots of children and adults do and are healthy on it. It's legal, both in general and in her circumstances although it can be argued that the agreement is that Dad feeds son a veggie diet and no more though I SUSPECT (but am not a lawyer) that this would mean that by court order Dad cannot breach this and feed meat but mum is ok under the order to make that non meat diet further so by going for the vegan option.

The issue isn't whether the child might make up his mind to differ when older but that now, as it stands, the mum may well have the law on her side as far as I can see. However, is that a PITA for the OP? Yes! Is that a worry for the OP and her DH?Yes! Is the giving to the child a vegan diet impossible for the OP? No, although it will take some adjusting to.

But is there more to this than the mum's desire to feed her DS a vegan diet on moral or health grounds? I think so. Will it lead to mum playing more control games? I fear so.

It MIGHT be a good thing though. I was a veggie cheese addict and am certainly better off now I don't eat it (vegan cheese is vile!) and now I only eat vegan chocolate. If the OP can establish good healthy vegan eating practices when her DSS is with her (and DAD should be helping too, it's his son!!!!), which DSS can understand are healthy, tasty and morally right he may go home and "teach" mum some of that logic and some of those recipes, telling HER as he does DSM all about it as, as the OP says, he is bright enough to question her about foodstuff.

If, as well, the OP or her DH can cook a vegan meal for the whole family (ok maybe not baby if she prefers not to), it will make cooking after a long day at work easier AND it might make DSS feel not just less "different" but also understanding of how he can eat according to what I and many feel are valid morals in a happy environment, which can only be a good thing.

Disclaimer: Am STILL trying to find nice vegan cheese and expand menu list for me, so know what a fecking PITA it is!

EttiKetti · 27/05/2011 23:42

Sounds quite hellish. I'm confused as to how dss is hugely overweight unless she packs him full of snacks and also ethical vegan surely rules out rice and lentils....I've not found any grown in the UK.

LordOfTheFlies · 27/05/2011 23:43

Valhalla as an aside.Are your GSDs vegetarian? I know alot of big dogs are but the food gives them the most horrendous wind. Thinking 'Happydog'

Clytaemnestra · 27/05/2011 23:44

What happened last time she sent food - why didn't that work out?

Otherwise - I would say it was ethically sourced. Even if it's from Aldi.