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Measles Outbreak?

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MoaningLisa · 27/05/2011 13:56

I am sure you have all heard on the news that there has been an outbreak of measles.

Papers, Schools, Hv, Drs are saying if you or your child haven't had the vaccine(s) now would be a good time to get it done.

I cant help but think though that the parents who haven't and wont get their child vaccinated are putting their children at risk.

Aibu to think that its just bloody selfish and very daring to play with their own childs life?

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bubblecoral · 27/05/2011 22:36

The major difference between taking the two risks though is that one involves taking your small child to the doctors and actively allowing them to inject that risk, and the other just involves going though daily life in a normal way and taking the same kind of risk as you do every time you get into a car.

bubbleymummy · 27/05/2011 22:36

Nope. Not relying on it - if it's there (if), it's there but I know it guarantees nothing and I wouldn't rely on it for protection.

SugarSkyHigh · 27/05/2011 22:37

YADNBU

superconfusedmum · 27/05/2011 22:37

I had measles at the age of 4yrs old, and remember being rushed to hospital in the back of my dad's car as the GP didn't think I was poorly enough for admission when he visited me at home. I was admitted with pneumonia, spent ? how many days in an oxygen tent, Granny came on the train from Durham to see me- so must have been ill!! I am now 48yrs and have a significant degree of lung damage and hav had pneumonia again recently where i could hardly breathe- it was very scary. I was nervous when my children had their jabs but I wouldn't have not vaccinated them as the after effects for me have been awful. And my side effects from measles have been mild!!

trixymalixy · 27/05/2011 22:38

I totally agree Murphy. I am very pro vaccination believe it or not, for children with no risk factors. What I am saying is that you have no right to insist that all parents vaccinate as it is not without risk.

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:38

If yours is the DC with measles that has serious complications or dies, statistics are fairly meaningless.

MurphyWasAnOptimist · 27/05/2011 22:39

risk of catching low in countries which vaccinate thanks to herd immunity. That's true but not completely. still more at risk than vaccinated children.

true, risk of dying low in uk, thank god! but still too high for my liking!!! also all the other crap that goes along with it like brain damage and blindness. not for my kids thanks. shit, who even needs to have to to hospital for a week because of complications from measles and be pumped full of loads of other medications which also have nasty side effects and exposed to the all the nasty bugs in hospital. ugh. wtf would you expose your kids to that if you can avoid it???

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 22:40

if I was "relying" on herd immunity to protect dd2 form measles, then surely I would be hotfooting it to the doctors right now, given that we are due to go to Europe shortly?

but I am not.

because it is not safe to give her the mmr.

for her, it is safer that she takes her chances.

which does not stop me worrying. but we can only make decisions based on the information we have - and dh and I have discussed it again (as we do periodically), and have again decided that, for now, we will not be getting dd2 vaccinated.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 27/05/2011 22:41

silverfrog, I agree that the wakefield notes was not officially a "study", but it was portrayed as such in the press. I also accept that risk varies with individuals. The problem is that NO study is foolproof, NO study can prove or disprove the risks re vaccination or non-vaccination. Even statistics can be bent. Unfortunately, the onus is on us, as parents, to look at the various studies that have been done and come to an informed decision.

There are risks with everything in life. As a vet, I operate on animals on a daily basis, but I am well aware that there is a risk with general anaesthesia, especially in an animal that has never had one- you don't know how they might react. Despite that small risk, I have operated on my own animals a good few times and, strangely, people seem less worried about the risks of having their animal neutered nowadays than vaccinated, despite the fact that there is a greater risk of allergic reaction to GA than to vaccination.

I think it would be simplistic to say there is NO risk with vaccination. there is risk with any medical intervention- with aspirin, antibiotics, almost any medication you care to name. But I have seen no threads on here with parents refusing to let their children have penicillin in case they have a reaction to it, it just seems that vaccination became a real hyped up "issue".

Now, I'm not saying it's wrong to question the medical authorities- to the contrary, I am all in favour of that. I sometimes think more people should do more questioning about the medical treatment they and their children get, and, via my poor mum, I have had cause to do that on many occasions. But i resent the opinion that people who choose to vaccinate their children are dumb and just do so because the doctor told them to (not saying that is your opinion, btw, but have seen it expressed in many vaccine threads over the years)

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:43

I think that we are talking at cross purposessilverfrog, if you have a DCwho has a problem with it that is quite different from those who don't have it done because of their principles.

trixymalixy · 27/05/2011 22:44

My sister and I both had measles when younger and are fine, it doesn't always mean going blind or having to go to hospital.

And no, having had DS in hospital once already I wouldn't want him to get measles as due to his severe asthma I don't think his body would cope with it, so he has had the MMR.

MurphyWasAnOptimist · 27/05/2011 22:48

well, good luck silver. i'm not a doctor, don't know your case. i hope your gamble does pay off and that you have a lovely time in europe.

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 22:49

ah, but are we, exotic?

my dd2 cannot have (imo) vaccines because her sister is vaccine damaged. and is severely autistic.

there are several posters on this thread who have denied any such link exists.

who have said my perception of the risks for dd2 is skewed (quite why they think they know better than her paed, I don't know)

posters who deny any link between vaccines (note I am not only talkig baout mmr) and autism. who say there is no such thing, it is all a coincidence.

dd2 is not immunosuppressed. nor is she ill. she has a probable mitochondrial disorder, but I cannot get that investigated either - mostly because I am a neurotic mother who is imagining all kinds of problems, and trying to blame the nasty old doctors for dd1's issues Hmm

as I outlined earlier, I was not allowed to discuss any health implications form the mmr before the nurse gave it to dd1. no questions allowed - just line up and do it.

why on earth am I supposed to trust any nurse or doctor with that attitude?

why should I listen to posters here who clearly have absolutely no clue about the risks involved for some sections of society?

MurphyWasAnOptimist · 27/05/2011 22:50

jooly, that's something i can't figure out at all. the hoo haa about vaccines but not about all the other medications. i mean, kids die from allergic reaction to penicillin but no-one is out there campaigning against antibiotics!

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:51

I don't for a minute think you would have to travel to India-just interested in the hypothetical.

bruffin · 27/05/2011 22:51

"You being vaccinated means that you are unable to protect your child when they are most vulnerable."
You also said this which you try to infer that only natural immunity will give a baby full protection when it does not.
Measles has always been seen as a dangerous disease. When I was younger it was notifiable and children were kept in darkened rooms to prevent blindness. If a child had measles their parents were sent a letter telling them to quarantine the child and you weren't even allowed to return library books from children who had measles.

I am reading South Riding at the moment which was written in the 30s. There is measles outbreak outlined in that. The children were instantly quarantined and there was 1 death.

Even today 10% of children will be hospitalized from measles., there is 1 in a 1000 risk of encephylistis.

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 22:54

exotic:" They seem to be ducking out of it by saying they wouldn't go-BUT if they had to-what would they do?"

sorry, my misinterpretation, obviously Hmm - but you did seem to be asking what would happen if I had to go, haivng dismissed my answer of "I don't go there" as ducking out...

trixymalixy · 27/05/2011 22:54

In my list of things I would never do as a parent before I had children along with no dummies and never bringing the kids into bed was to not hesitate about the MMR.

Then when faced with severely allergic kids it didn't seem quite so cut and dried and I did a LOT of reading and soul searching before making my decision.

in3minds · 27/05/2011 22:55

silverfrog - where is the evidence that there is any link between autism and mmr?

trixymalixy · 27/05/2011 22:56

Actually there are plenty of parents who don't want to give their kids antibiotics, not because of the risk of an allergic reaction though.

exoticfruits · 27/05/2011 22:58

Just interested in the hypothetical, even if you are not (and we have established you are not)what would you do if you were? I only ask because I can see that I might well risk it at home (although I haven't) but I would be scared to travel to India without the necessary injections.

MurphyWasAnOptimist · 27/05/2011 23:01

i also think antibiotics are a much much bigger issue trixy. hate the buggers myself but when they work properly, boy do they work! that's why i don't get the hang up about vaccines compared to all the other more risky stuff that goes on.

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 23:03

exotic, can't you see that my answer would depend on why I had to go?

I cannot easily envisage a situation where my choice is: go to India/Africa/wherever or what? die? be struck down by lightening?

and so I asked you to outline why I might have to go - as the situation itself would form part of my answer...

I have often said on vax threads - we weigh up each situation as it comes up. and if there was apoitn where the risk to dd2 is greater from her NOT having vaccines, than it is to her having them, then of course we would vaccinate her.

but I would not do that for holiday (the risk is not worth it).

in3minds: I have not claimed a link between mmr and autism. (and neitehr did Wakefield)

silverfrog · 27/05/2011 23:05

Murphy: I htink the vaccines get the debate airtime because of all the dodgy press reporting.

there are plenty of people who dislike the amount of anti-bs routinely given, or who avoid various things for their children.

MurphyWasAnOptimist · 27/05/2011 23:10

Yep, I'd agree with you about that one, silver.

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