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AIBU?

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to think that if you declare support for the BNP you are in fact a Big Racist?

86 replies

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 18/05/2011 11:28

Well, am I?

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 18/05/2011 11:30
Biscuit
manicbmc · 18/05/2011 11:30

Are you what?

Portofino · 18/05/2011 11:30

Normally I would agree. I can imagine a scenario though were you are not necessarily racist but simply an ignorant arsehole.

DontCallMePeanut · 18/05/2011 11:31

No, YANBU!

Nick Griffin and his cronies are homophobic, misogynistic racists. That parety isn't a political party. It's a breeding ground for hatred.

Mumwithadragontattoo · 18/05/2011 11:34

YANBU. Does someone think you are?

stickytoffeepud · 18/05/2011 11:42

Its a legitimate political party

if you wish to support it, do so, if you dont, dont

shrugs

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 18/05/2011 11:46

YANBU in supporting any party of your choice, and it is nobody else's business who you vote for.

capricorn76 · 18/05/2011 11:46

Of course you are and you are sexist, homophobic, believe in the right for every homeowner to have guns in their home and clearly want the economy to bottom out and never recover...

They do not believe in feminism, call gays 'perverts' they believe everyone should be armed, they don't believe in climate change and they want every person of non-British ancestry to leave the country regardless of what they've put in to it. They haven't explained how we will manage as a country when sanctions are put on us for kicking people out. How our R&D departments in medicine and science will cope without international students etc.

They believe that every problem in the UK can be attributed to the colour of one's skin. They are crazy and in any case the party probably won't be around for much longer as there is much infighting and expenses fiddling, many of the top brass have left.

Racist isolationist countries never turn out well (see Zimbabwe)

DontCallMePeanut · 18/05/2011 11:47

Barely legal political party, IMO.

TobyLerone · 18/05/2011 11:48

YANBU, but I also agree with stickytoffeepud.

It is a legitimate party, and I disagree with those who say it should not be allowed to be one.

I disagree with everything they stand for and I would rather have my right to vote removed than give them my support, and I judge anyone who supports their policies, but we do live in a democracy after all.

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 18/05/2011 11:51

manicmb - am I being unreasonable?

And yes, I will concede that there may be some BNP supporters who are 'just' ignorant arseholes. But generally, if you support the BNP - you are a Big Racist.

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WobblyWidgetOnTheScooper · 18/05/2011 11:52

"not necessarily racist but simply an ignorant arsehole."

Yes I agree with that. Their propaganda is incredibly manipulative, they are marketing geniuses, and it's not at all surprising that so many people fall for it.

manicbmc · 18/05/2011 11:53

No, not really. But I'd say the same for UKIP as well - they just mask it better.

SpringHeeledJack · 18/05/2011 11:55

YAdefNBU

...I've heard they wanted to call it the Big Racists' Party, but changed it to British National Party so it would sound posher

aldiwhore · 18/05/2011 11:55

Going on the BNP's history both as a party and that of its members then even if you don't feel you are racist, you're supporting racism and therefore probably a big fat hairy racist by default.

A great uncle of mine was always a staunch lefty, ex miner, lives in a now deprived area and has seen his community die... he's also witnessed a massive influx of people who obviously have no long generational links to South Yorkshire, given that a lot of them a brown, he's put two and two together and come up with an incorrect answer, the ethnic influx has actually SAVED his town. I do sympathise with him, living in a once proud hard working town and seeing it die and become forgotten, he fought in the second world war and what he has seen over the last 60 years MUST be depressing.

So if he voted BNP, I'm not sure I'd call him racist in its purest sense, but incorrect and supporting racism. He doesn't vote red any more, would never vote blue because he remembers the riots, I'm not sure what he votes for but I'm sure there are many in his position who've voted BNP out of sheer frustration, and in these areas the BNP make promises that could be hard to resist for some. I do find it more sad than angering that many pretty decent people feel so forgotten, so depressed at what they see everyday that they'd even contimplate BNP.

Until other parties address these peoples valid worries and feelings, I fear the BNP will thrive. So rather than dismiss them as racists I think all parties should be listening to them and trying to offer them some real hope.

HeadfirstForHalos · 18/05/2011 11:55

Yes I would agree with either a racist or an ignorant arsehole Grin

EricNorthmansMistress · 18/05/2011 11:56

YANBU
it is a legitimate party, it's legal to be a Big Fat Racist, but don't try to pretend that you are not one. Also, being ignorant is not an excuse for being a BFR. Nobody is ignorant of the BNP's central tenets. Therefore if they agree with them they must be a BFR.

Bennifer · 18/05/2011 11:56

YABU to an extent

I've no doubt the BNP is a racist party, but it has attracted support of people, who aren't racist

SpringHeeledJack · 18/05/2011 12:00

it has attracted the support of people who say they aren't racist

roffle at "big fat hairy racists"

BFHRP?

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 18/05/2011 12:03

See I was going to say Big Fat Racist but didn't want to be thought fattist.

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Kewcumber · 18/05/2011 12:07

oh thats a big unfiar OP - I really think some of their supporters might genuinely be just extremely dim. (And I don;t think they're all fat)

furryfury · 18/05/2011 12:08
and

Nick Griffin is a fucking disgrace. If you choose to support him, you choose to support a holocaust denier who is willing to speak at Klan meetings about how best to gain power. At best people should at least look into things a bit before they start throwing their votes around. At worst BNP voters are also a fucking disgrace.

TotemPole · 18/05/2011 12:10

Aren't they all skinheads so it would be Big Fat Bald Racists.

TotemPole · 18/05/2011 12:11

Or am I being Baldist?

DontCallMePeanut · 18/05/2011 12:11

You just have to read their manifesto to realise how incredibly twattish they are. The following in bold bits are from his manifesto, and just a couple of pieces that had me Shock. If anyone can add to problems with these points, feel free to.

Abolish politically correct training, diversity brainwashing and indoctrination
of the police, teachers, and employees in the public sector, including
Common Purpose subversion of the democratic process.
What, now? Seriously, I prefer an unbiased public sector, where I don't fear that my friends will be discriminated against because of their race, gender or sexuality...

Ensure that the only languages permitted in local council literature
are English, Welsh and Gaelic, where applicable.
Erm... So, NG is assuming that if you can speak English, you can read it. Is he also telling me he expects the 80 year old who has sought asylum and is living with her family is expected to learn the language? It'd take her longer.