to not care about immigration?

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So many people seem to have a huge problem with it and I really don't understand why.

The crazy thing is, I live in a hugely multicultural area and most of the people I know who have a problem with this, live in predominantly white suburbs.

We have a problem here with alcoholic homeless people fighting and screaming in the streets - none of them are immigrants.

RobF,
it may well be the case that other countries have done the same as Britain but we are talking about this country. This country is merely living with the long term consequences of its actions. People complain about immigration but never stop to think that British people should stop going to other countries and creating their own ghettoes, not learning the language and contributing to the life of their new homes.

I assume OP that your children are not in a school with a high proportion of children that don't have English as their first language so the attention of their teachers is compromised? Or that your income is not lower due to immigrants undercutting you? I am not directly affected by the unprecedented levels of immigration as seen over the last 14 years but I am aware that many people are and if nothing is done to resolve this, the UK will be in dire straits.

"People complain about immigration but never stop to think that British people should stop going to other countries and creating their own ghettoes, not learning the language and contributing to the life of their new homes."

How many British people do this?

TBH, I'm beginning to think that the powers that be are operating a "divide and conquer" policy. They are happy for us to fight amoungst ourselves, "native" people blaming immigrants for our problems therefore taking the heat off the people in charge.

i think we should maybe have sensible discussions about immigration but it's hard as people are labelled bigots for going against the grain on here.

I have no problem as long as they aren't allowed to congregate in the south east, it is too overcrowded and we need more immigrants in the north. How that is achieved I do not know as if it was me I would want to go where there is more work.

Imho immigration which benefits the economy = good, uncontrolled mass migration by people who do not integrate = bad

EU immigrants are actually migrants. They have every right to come and live here and work here. The Brits have exactly the same reciprocal right - any of us could go and live in any of their countries. Except most of us are too arrogant and lazy to bother learning another language or marketable skill.

Other immigrants are fleeing persecution, or poverty - often because British foreign policy has destabilised their political or economic infrastructure. It's payback time for the Empire.

I happily employ foreigners, at work and at home, because so-call 'working' class Brits with ready access to benefits and council housing, prefer not to work than to work for minimum wage because, when their benefits and tax credits and everything else they get in the way of handouts are factored into their calculations "they're better off at home." They're better off being exported in my view, instead of being leeches on the hardworking, of any national origin.

trixy- immigrats 'in the north' or to be more specific the North West are adding to the already overswamped underfunded public services and schools. Unemployment is at a high again, yet the population is increasing added to by immigration, there won't be any solution to this shortly. In the region that i live in we don't have a shortage of workers and i am sick of hearing the rubbish spouted about needing an immigrant population to do the work the British won't.

Often the benefit system ties people into a poverty trap that prevents them from working, not unwillingness.

thomasbodley [thumbsup]

Oh yes, and it's fecking difficult to become a British citizen. It's actually fecking difficult for a business that needs specialist skills and can't find them in the UK to obtain the appropriate visas and permissions to employ a foreigner.

But feel free to carry on reading the Daily Mail and talking shite about immigrants whilst being too lazy to contribute to the economy in any meaningful way.

Thomas-the work isn't available in othe EU countries. All around me the young lads are training in joinery and plastering to find there is no work. There are schemes that allow EU citizens to become bus and taxi drivers before they even get here without having to learn to speak British. It was good in theory, the exchange of workers, but in practice it doesn't work.

I am sure British people would be happy to work abroad if there were any foreign countries where we could earn high wages for doing menial work.

Working-class Brits turn their noses up at working for minimum wage? Can you blame them? Would you be happy at working for £5.93 an hour, especially in cases where the job paid considerably more a few years ago, prior to mass immigration?

Thomas- regional development agencies are supposed to make sure that the UK can provide the training for any skills needed, if there is a shortage it is those in charge, who are at fault not the young, many who are desperate for work. The young male suicide rate increases every year in the UK.

Those that won't work for minium wage often carn't because they would lose their home. Whereas a group of EU citizens can come over live in a bedsit and within six months have enough to get on the housing ladder in their own country and how does this benefit the UK?

"This country is merely living with the long term consequences of its actions"

No - its living with the consequences of decisions made by the last government. Decisions that they are now also admitting were very bad.

Guilt ridden left wing angst at 'empire'.
'Were all immigrants'
'Lucky to be born here'

These are piss poor excuses for messing this country up for your kids. Whatever cultural advantage they might have had handed down to them by their ancestors is being diluted for no credible reason, except to make a few liberals feel better about themselves and provide cheap labour for multinationals who already make huge profits.

They should halt non-essential immigration for decade or so. I dont give a fuk if its 'fair' or not. I want my kids to have a good future, and not have to compete with an army of new arrivals with a reputation for being 'harder workers' (read - cheap).

Birds I said "marketable" skill. The economy changes, you have to change with it. People with a proper work ethic go where their work goes.

RobF - suggest you educate yourself on the demographics of wage distribution before you start claiming that immigration has caused wages deflation. Oh yes, and I have worked for a great deal less than £5.93 an hour, as an adult, before minimum wage legislation and before immigration became a lightening conductor for ill-informed bigots.

My point was, people had already made Britain a relatively good place to be born into, so after no effort on my part, I was luck to be born here before I had achieved or put back anyhting in this country.

I would repeat the previous posters question: what have you done to contribute to such a large extent Rob? A few people have asked now and you have been quite shy about answering that one.

foreign countries where people could earn high wages for doing manual work - Denmark, Sweden, Germany.. Ops. Involves learning another language.

The way that the young unacademic population is ignored in this country by so many is disgusting. The misery i see about me caused by unemployment needs to be addressed.

Birds You were complaining about immigration, now you're complaining that EU migrants buy homes in their own country with the money they've earned here (probably with the intention of returning, then). What's the problem?

Work hard, earn money, pay taxes. I don't care where you're from, or where you're going. Just pull your fucking weight.

Boffy- surely the attitude that those that have made this country what is is has been passed down to their children.

No-one has to give personal details on how they contribute personally.

Thomas there is no circulation of wealth which is what is needed. We need money to be spent here. Surely pulling your weight is also geting involved in charities and communities or do you not value people as people?

I worked in home care services for a while and without the help of neighbours who do not work, many would go without care, we could not run this country if everyone within it worked, there are different ways to make a contribution.

Perhaps you should pay a proper wage thomasbodley. Then you might find brits wanting to do the job.

"They're better off being exported in my view"

Couldnt agree more, but it doesnt work like that. They need to be encouraged off their fat lazy benefit arses but that wont happen until immigration is controlled and pay outstrips benefits.