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to not care about immigration?

485 replies

StuckinTheMiddlewithYou · 15/05/2011 10:17

So many people seem to have a huge problem with it and I really don't understand why.

The crazy thing is, I live in a hugely multicultural area and most of the people I know who have a problem with this, live in predominantly white suburbs.

We have a problem here with alcoholic homeless people fighting and screaming in the streets - none of them are immigrants.

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ccpccp · 16/05/2011 12:37

Yes.

And they are laughing all the way to the bank at how Britain has gone belly up and lost its fight. Particularly the Indians, who have a chip on their shoulders about empire and will subtly do what they can to bring us down.

Everyone else is competing aggressively except us. We spend our time walking on eggshells and 'playing fair' when we should be fighting for our own slice of this new world.

Instead we bring in foreign workers to slowly stripmine our industry and move it abroad, as our kids sit around on benefits.

Thistledew · 16/05/2011 12:44

AP - you said 'people', not 'some people' or 'a few people', or 'one person I met'. I ask again, if you meant to talk about a minority of people, why did you not say so.

And if your question was directed to me, the answer is yes.

HumanBehaviour · 16/05/2011 12:44

I'm an immigrant and I have paid my road tax.

Anyway, our economy is based on a forever growing population and enough people working to be able to support our old and young. If anyone is to blame it's the NHS for allowing old people to have longer lives.

So if the elderly are to blame for the bad economy, maybe we should throw them out? Send them to villas in Spain and where they can be a drain on Spains economy instead?

HumanBehaviour · 16/05/2011 12:47

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_ratio

Thistledew · 16/05/2011 12:49

ccpccp- do you ensure that you buy only british made goods? If not, why not? If everyone who objected to manufacturing being moved to other countries brought only british, it would be the quickest way to force businesses to rewaken industry in the UK.

BulletWithAName · 16/05/2011 12:51

I have to agree with ccpccp. And my paternal grandparents were immigrants. My grandmother basically says the same things.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:03

There are not enough houses.

The trains are overcrowded.

The NHS has run out of money.

There are not enough school places.

Benefits paid out continuously increase.

Unemployment is high, especially amongst the young.

Crime is increasing.

Tax avoidance is increasing.

How to stop it ...curb immigration.

Admittedly it is a simplistic view but IMO we need to curb immigration for these reasons.

MisterDarsey · 16/05/2011 13:03

ccpccp

The reason why you are being treated by the world is because they had to be rushed in to cover the strain on services brought about by immigration. So more immigration.

ccp you are talking utter balls. Please get yourself educated about the history of immigration.

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:04

I try Thistledew, but there arent many made here any longer. Those that are are normally rebadged tat from china.

Also - they dont seem to be badged as 'British' any more. No doubt some liberal idiot is to blame for that one too. Some kind of racism, probably.

We cant compete when we are the only ones playing to such restrictive rules.

EggyAllenPoe · 16/05/2011 13:09

there are not enough houses because people live fewer to a house

trains and roads are crowded because people travel more (so, the social behaviours of the resident population is the root cause of both those things)

The NHS has never not run out of money..if you look at who works i the NHS though, you'll find alot of immigrants...

school places depends on area - in ours a gradual reduction in demand wil mean some will close due to lack of demand in the next ten years. In fact that is probably the case widely - due to the 1.9 children per couple birth rate.

as recent immigrants find it hard/impossible to claim benefits - lets not blame that on them!

unemployment - erm, surely that is to do with the recent economic downturn?

crime is increasing for that same economic reason.

Tax avoidance...i don't even know why you would think that linked to legal immigration at all? why?

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:09

Thats OK Thistledew, I used my eyes, experiences and common sense to form opinions. Immigrant midwives were brought in to my local hospital for example, to cover the huge increase in Polish women bearing children. There was so much strain that locals were being turned away.

I dont need the liberal propaganda machine to form my opinions for me, because Liberals are always well intentioned but wrong.

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:10

Sorry Thistledew - that was meant for MisterDarsey. Cut and paste error.

MisterDarsey · 16/05/2011 13:10

If someone gets mugged by an immigrant, they wouldnt have been mugged had that immigrant not been here.

So immigration is the problem in this case, yes?

???

And if the mugger was a native born Englishman what would you blame for that? Too many native born Englishmen?

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:12

I am talking about legal and illegal immigration.

Tax avoidance .... like the example given from a PP that the guy never had car tax or insurance as he was not a concept he was familiar with.

The population will grow but ours is growing too fast to cope with the demands. So reducing immigration slows the population growth thereby reducing the impact on what I said earlier. Why do you think some countries have strict rules about immigration?

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:19

"And if the mugger was a native born Englishman what would you blame for that? Too many native born Englishmen?"

I'd blame the englishman. Englishmen arent being allowed into England due to government policy.

So whats your point?

Thistledew · 16/05/2011 13:25

It is nothing to do with racism that it is difficult to buy British. It is to do with the fact that we are now operating a global free Market. In years gone by luxury goods were just that- costly to produce and expensive to the consumer. You also were more likely to have a job for life working to make them in the UK. But businsses found that it was easier and cheaper to import goods and even food from abroad, and we all started buying them because it was nice to have nice things and money in our pockets. We can blame our parents' generation for the current lack of industry in the UK, which we continue to perpetuate.

The other side of the coin of a global economy and free movement of goods is free movement of people. We will know we are in real trouble as a country the day people don't want to come here. Also, it is now far cheaper for people to come here. Flights are now affordable, so that we can go on cheap foreign holidays. If they were as proportionately as expensive as they were 40 years ago, migration on a global scale would be out of the reach of so many more people.

Global migration is a fact now. It is not going to stop in this country without us becoming backward and out of step with the rest if the world. We need each to see how it can best work for us, rather than standing at the barricades with pitchforks.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:28

Australia has a fairly successful immigration policy ....

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:32

If someone doesnt start pitchforking soon, there will be nothing left to pitchfork for.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:35

Every other country seems to care about their own country, even immigrants here care about their own country with their protests ( eg recent Libyan Embassy, Bahrain Embassy events etc etc) yet the Brits dont stand up for themselves. Let's get a proverbial pitchfork .....

Thistledew · 16/05/2011 13:35

ccp- what do you mean 'englishmen aren't being allowed into england'?

Do you not think you should also blame the foreigner who mugged you, rather than the rules on immigration?

Thistledew · 16/05/2011 13:39

To employ another metaphor - you are tilting at windmills if you think immigration is the problem.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:40

If we had a decent immigration policy, then chances are the majority of immigrants would be hard working decent citizens, rather than the presumably piece of scum who mugged ccp.

I am sure ccp blamed the foreigner who mugged her ......

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:42

If immigrants who committed crimes were immediately deported, then the chances of them committing a crime would be reduced, thereby reducing national crimes levels.

If the immigrant was well educated and integrated with British society/culture, the immigrant would know that they had to pay car tax and get insurance, thereby reducing the level of fraud.

If the immigrant was here due to a particular skills shortage, the chances are the immigrant would not be a health tourist and abuse the nhs.

Shall I go on....

ccpccp · 16/05/2011 13:50

They know all this cookcleanerchaufferetc. They just cant allow themselves to see it as it offends the liberal worldview.

Its much easier to excuse it away as 'daily wail hype', or 'benefits outweigh losses', or simply just 'racist stereotypes'.

In the meantime a generation of kids cant get jobs and we lose our industry.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 16/05/2011 13:53

I agree! If the non-immigrant youth had jobs their would be less unemployment, less crime, better communities ...etc etc. As it is in some areas the immigration is fuelling resentment (aside from opposing immigrants fighting). It wont be long before there is a huge back lash.

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