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to think that Camilla is a bit of a national treasure

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GitAwfMayLend · 29/04/2011 20:23

Yes another wedding based thread.

I think she seems a good egg. And looked lovely today.

Plus there were a few moments where she looked very emotional in the abbey, was very touching.

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GitAwfMayLend · 29/04/2011 22:20

I am a staunch labour supporter through and through, and tbh the thought didn't cross my mind.

I cannot imagine it is something Gordon Brown would want to have been part of, Blair there is a history evidently, and Miliband was invited. They are not in power any more anyway. Don't think it is a particular snub tbh.

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herbietea · 29/04/2011 22:22

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diddl · 29/04/2011 22:22

"I do think Charles is a very weak man though"

Yes, it would seem so.

It´s odd in a way, as it would seem that the Queen married who she wanted, even though he was considered unsuitable.

Yet the same wasn´t afforded to Charles.

Maybe he genuinely thought that things could work with Diana, though.

hocuspontas · 29/04/2011 22:29

He was of 'good stock' though. And Louis Mountbatten had a hand in engineering his nephew into the British royal family.

Tryharder · 29/04/2011 22:31

Camilla is fab. Christ knows what she sees in Charles who's completely barking. I admire her totally for her strength and dignity - remember when the press and public were so incredibly vile to her and yet she never said a word. She has never once said a bad word against Diana publicly.

I never got all the Queen of Hearts business re) Diana. The woman was a complete shagger . She broke up Will Carling's marriage and had affairs with married men and no-one said a bloody word.

I would be happy to see Camilla as Queen.

roundtoit · 29/04/2011 22:31

charles used to go out with camilla , he went to sea and would not commit to camilla, she got sick of waiting and married andrew parker bowles, charles would have been free to marry her if he wanted there was nothing stopping him .She will never be my queen, marriage wrecker . i cannot believe after what she put their mother through will and harry have
totally accepted her.

breatheslowly · 29/04/2011 22:34

herbietea - that is just the reason given though. It is bollocks through and through. The whole "this isn't a state occassion" was blown out of the water by the Syria thing. There were so many Tories there but only Miliband. You also have to ask yourself why Thatcher and Major are Knights of the Garter but there isn't a Labour one. The Labour Party just isn't posh enough for the royals. This annoys me as I think that some of the greatest supporters of the monarchy are probably also Labour supporters.

roundtoit · 29/04/2011 22:35

charles was never stopped from marrying camilla he just dithered to much and she went and married APB

DillyDaydreaming · 29/04/2011 22:38

Diana was also an arch manipulator...... all that gawking wide eyed at the Press. Sorry - didn't buy it for one second. It wasn't an ideal marriage but she was hardly crystal clean in it all.

Tryharder · 29/04/2011 22:43

Exactly, Dilly.

I liked Diana until she started going out with Fayed's son who apart from obscene wealth had no redeeming features.

roundtoit · 29/04/2011 22:44

she was crystal clean until he decided he wanted a mistress and a wife .he was the one who threw that marriage away and would not let camilla go , the rumours were andrew parker bowles was the man " who laid down his wife for the crown".

Abr1de · 29/04/2011 22:47

I was touched to see Camilla looking emotional during the wedding. The one I thought did well NOT to show emotion was Carole M. Do you think she had a stiff drink first?

cantspel · 29/04/2011 22:55

I like camilla and think she would make a great queen but unless something happens to the Queen within the next few years i think Charles will step aside in favour of his son.

As for Diana she was never suited for Charles. Charles is a highly educated man and she at the time of the marriage was a teenager with one o level and no experience of anything. She would have bored him silly.
He married her for a heir and she married him because that was what was expected of her.

oldpedant · 29/04/2011 23:05

Charles was, and is, weak because he didn't marry Camilla when he should have, and they were both cruel to a very young Diana.

But I still kind of think it's wonderful that he always adored this older, less beautiful, even quite frumpy woman because she was smart and interesting, got him and was a great laugh? Shouldn't it make us all feel good about aging, not being gorgeous and being in a good relationship?

Still, poor Diana though, I'm conflicted on this...

alicatte · 29/04/2011 23:09

I cannot understand why people so dislike Camilla when we have all, surely seen complicated relationships amongst our friends and marriages flounder around us. It seemed to me to be a difficult situation where blame could be attached to everybody but to nobody entirely.

I cannot imagine apportioning blame to an unhappy couple I actually knew (I don't really think I know anyone who would feel able to do this either) - consequently I cannot imagine judging Camilla or Charles or Diana, there is always so much we do not know isn't there.

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all - I thought she looked like a nice person today too.

kittya · 29/04/2011 23:15

I loved watching them with their grandchild. Isnt Camilla a catholic though? I thought that was the reason he couldnt marry her or, am I wrong?

I dont buy the Diana shagged around bit. If she did wasnt it when her marriage was over?

LadylissielouofShropshire · 29/04/2011 23:15

some people have an incredibly black and white view of relationships.

the man.
the wronged wife.
the mistress.

we forget that diana was also a mistress, she also shagged around, and she was incredibly manipulative. all that simpering little girl lost stuff... three people in the marriage? more than that, I'd say, when you add in her lovers.

Yellowstone · 29/04/2011 23:16

Some chronology is required here. Camilla and Charles were shagging throughout Charles' and Diana's marriage and Andrew Parker-Bowles was fast tracked through army ranks by way of thanks for not objecting. I understood it to be common knowledge amongst army people at the time.

Diana's affairs came later and Diana was, apart from being inexperienced and young, clearly needy emotionally, with a turbulent and dysfunctional background. I took her affairs to be a symptom of unhappiness and marital breakdown, not a cause.

Charles is in a position where he has behaved deeply dishonourably and selfishly and has the freedom to step down from his inheritance and enjoy life peaceably with Camilla. Surely that was what all the talk in the service today was about: value what is real. Charles should learn a lesson from his son.

Todays events showed Camilla being booed (albeit faintly) as she went into the Abbey as well as huge support for Will and Kate. It seems pretty obvious what the honourable course is for Charles and just amazing that he didn't follow his great uncle's course a decade ago. Unless those in the royal family behave with honour they have no reason whatsoever to deserve respect.

pooka · 29/04/2011 23:18

roundtoit well the obviously have. Her granddaughter was a bridesmaid. She seems to have a good relationship with Kate (which would be unlikely if William was ani-camilla).

meditrina · 29/04/2011 23:20

kittya - she's not Catholic, though her ex-husband was and her children were brought up in his faith. Also, see my post at 20:47:58 - it's far from clear that she was an innocent party.

alicatte · 29/04/2011 23:21

I didn't hear any booing - I watched it too. I honestly didn't hear any booing.

LadylissielouofShropshire · 29/04/2011 23:24

didnt hear any booing either. there are some grudges that need to be laid to rest. yes, it was wrong to have an affair, but it wasnt a fling. they are and were very much in love. if william and harry can forgive, surely the bosom hoisting can stop now?

GKlimt · 29/04/2011 23:24

Very much agree ali

I never got the whole sainting of Lady Di thing and vilification of Camilla.

I realise that Diana Spencer was only 19 and naive/sheltered/immature etc - what I don't understand is why her family didn't do more to protect her.

AnnieBesant · 29/04/2011 23:25

I'm not entirely sure what she sees in him...

LadylissielouofShropshire · 29/04/2011 23:26

and surely, being brought up in aristocracy she would have had a better idea than most of how things work?

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