To want smoking banned in public playgrounds

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why should I remove my child because a smoker ( two in my case today) thinks it's okay to smoke in a small enclosed playground.

Can't they wait til their children have finished? Bloody selfish in my opinion ( as a ex smoker)

"LDNmummy, I'm not going to explain why being near a smoker can't be worse than being the smoker. You just carry right on saying it."

I didn't just carry right on saying it, I substantiated with scietific research however.

"However... wet dog shit smell is not going to harm my health. Toxocariasis is picked up from dog shit (often by children) and can make them go blind."

Is this solely from the smell alone?

"The emissions from car exhausts are responsible for more deaths than road accidents, according to World Health Organisation (WHO) research. That was the first google hit from a car fumes search and is a bit old, but for balance includes a GP saying "yeah, but smoking kills too"

Then the fact that smoking is even more toxic and harmful is even further highlighted.

"That's not to say that you can't be concerned about two or even three dangers. Just that if someone is going to be join a mob of smoker-haters they probably want to be sure they are not guilty of worse (or guilty of ignoring worse) or it might make them seem hypocritical."

If smokers want to defend their right to smoke, they should be equally as informed of the dangers it poses to others and not just themselves. And, try to act accordingly.

Fair enough:

"Absolute complete horseshit.

Regards so called "third hand smoke" there is a single study (referenced in the SciAm link) that that author himself admits has conclusions that aren't supported and are little more than speculation.

There is zero credible evidence that "third hand smoke" presents any kind of credible risk to anyone.

I say this as a non smoker."

I seem to recall the tobacco companies saying similar about the effects of smoking and second hand smoke.

I did state it was new research and it is a fact that 'third hand smoke' contains toxins according to that research which is VERY new and still going on (as I stated and never denied). It is the first research of its kind.

This does not negate the points I made about second hand smoke which are proven.

There ARE toxins in third hand smoke according to this research. It is just not extensive enough yet to see its full effects and that is why I never denied it was NEW research.

Oh and that research is not only cited in the one article but has been picked up on by all the reputable mainstream organizations and media bodies.

"There ARE toxins in third hand smoke according to this research."

Indeed they are, however as the author of the report himself indicates statistically they aren't significant enough to be able to distinguish from other toxins that occur in the environment.

There is zero evidence that there is any risk from so called "third hand smoke" and even suggest otherwise is hysterically at best, outright scaremongering at worst.

And I'd hardly call "cancer.org" a credible source.

Yeah I do see your points, I'm not the kind of person to go on and on if I am proved wrong so fair enough, I accept that. I do think third hand smoke will eventually come to light but as I said, the research is incredibly new.

But it still does not negate the points about second hand smoke and the extent of the harm it causes which is recognised pretty much worldwide. The fact that it is more harmful than car fumes for instance should highlight how harmful it is to tohers and people should act with due consideration when smoking in areas where other people and children are present.

Snigger @ BitofFunPP.

Jeeze LDN but you are going on and on and on and on and on and on. Honestly - you're close to making my piss boil with your ranting ffs.

YANBU It really isn't necessary.
Not just for
children's sake , I hate the smellof it too.

LDNmummy Fri 29-Apr-11 16:21:48
But Kungfu that is ONCE a year, and personally I wouldn't crowd my kids around a bonfire. I was in primary school with a boy who accidentally got set alight on bonfire night and was scarred head to toe (very sad).

Um, I didn't make the comment about the bonfire - I was responding to someone else. That is why it was quoted.

Sorry Kungfu, misunderstanding.

Catchme people questioned what I was saying and I responded. Unfortunately, in large and fractured pieces which I acknowledged and apologised for without prompting. Is this not a discussion forum and has no one ever gone on and on to prove a point before? Isnt that the whole point, to have a point and back it up? It may be making your piss boil but I was proving my point after people were arguing with me about it. I didn't realise responses were now considered ranting

If you have a point to make by all means...

But otherwise, what is your issue exactly?

How many times did I say point there

YANBU - I hate the smell of cigarettes.

Catchmeifyoucan - You have been rather agressivly defensive in this thread. Is there a reason why you are so defensive over smoking in public or near children? Genuine question.

YANBU. Car fumes are bad too, I agree, but a smoker can choose to step out of the playgroung for a quick fag, it's unpleasant, unnecessary and anti-social to spark up next to another family and proceed to blow smoke at them.

Yes as the non-smoker you can move, but why the hell should you have to?

I'm failing to see what exactly the "car fumes are worse" argument has to do with smoking near children. Are you saying that it's alright to smoke near children because they are already exposed to car fumes on a regular basis?

It's equivalent to arguing that because kids are exposed to radiation from the sun on a regular basis then it's alright for them to be exposed to a tiny bit of toxic waste from a nuclear reactor. In other words quite possibly the most stupid argument I have ever heard.

smoking near children under any circumstances is just completely unacceptable and selfish.

Exactly trixy!

smog

do you drive?

Christ - even when I was a dedicated 30 a day smoker I wasn't such a twot to smoke in playgrounds.
Ban it.