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to be pissed off at school revelations?

341 replies

HKLP · 27/04/2011 23:19

Have name changed for this as the route in which I found out this info makes me very identifiable.

I always have my friend's DD on Teacher training days as she has to work at the school the DC attend.

My 2DC are off school today and tomorrow as the school decided to manipulate TT days so that the school broke up on 8th April(1.30pm) and return 3rd May. It means the school will be open on Polling Day (with extra safeguarding in place Hmm) and we will not finish one day early in July as we normally do.

That's fine, but obviously 3 weeks and a day and a half makes life very difficult for WOHPs.

After speaking to my friend last night, it was revealed that the staff are not going into school on these 2 days as have worked/will work extra hours after school to make up the time.

Shock

Apparently, attendance at afterschool events will count towards this time, rather than actual training. Is this acceptable standrd practice?

AIBU to be pissed off about this?

OP posts:
MoreBeta · 28/04/2011 15:29

Only 195 days!

There are 240 working days in a standard working year (allowing 20 days holiday). That makes 45 days when parents are working and you aren't.

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:30

Thanks Feenie you too Smile

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:31

Isn't the salary 30k? For the year? Thats not pro rated down for the 195 days is it?

If you don't get paid for the other days then the equivalent salary would be £41,647... That's a quite a lot of money...

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:32

6.30 home feed the family and start paperwork ... no not late 10 pm last night but that was unusual.

TeamLemon · 28/04/2011 15:33

BUT WE DO WORK IN THOSE 45 DAYS!

AND WE'RE NOT PAID FOR THEM!

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:33

No the salary isn't for the year it's for 195 days we don't get paid for holidays

MoreBeta · 28/04/2011 15:34
mrz · 28/04/2011 15:34

It's less than a graduate in the private sector could expect. I started teaching with a pay cut

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:39

Errrr... pls direct me to a graduate role in the private sector paying 41k... Hmm

teamlemon Fine, so you don't get paid for it. Bu tthat means your equivalent salary is 41k... do you think that is bad?

MoreBeta · 28/04/2011 15:39

Hang on a minute. Whats all this teachers get aid £31k business? That isn't the whole truth now is it? Many teachers get paid a lot more than that and pro rata it is very well paid compared to people with similar qualifications. More to the point, the pension and early retirement for older teachers coming up to retirement now isnt even taken into account in the figures I quote below.

"If you take on additional teaching and learning responsibilities (TLR) then you may be entitled to additional payments. There are two levels; TLR2 would give you extra pay of between £2,478 and £6,057 during 2009 while TLR1 would give you at least £7,158 and up to £12,114 on top of your usual salary.

Once you reach the top of the main pay scale you could go up to the 'Post-threshold pay scale' where you could earn up to £35,929 (up £43,692 in inner London).

If you apply for and get the status of an 'advanced skills teacher' you could end up earning up to £55,669 (£62,596 in inner London), though you will have to keep up regular assessments to keep this status and would fall back down to a lower level should you fail to keep it.

On top of this, leadership group teachers (such as headteachers and deputy heads) could earn even more. A headteacher will earn at least £41,426 (for example, in a small primary school in England), but could earn up to £109,658 (for example in a large inner London secondary school in deprived area. "

TeamLemon · 28/04/2011 15:41

I never said the pay was bad.
I think it is unreasonable and extremely undermining of the profession to have our every movement judged by people who have no experience of what a career in teaching is really like.

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:43

Indeed Beta... and all for 195 days a year.

I'm not saying it's easy at all, god knows I wouldnt do it. But this 'we dont get paid for it' business is just daft. I am 30 and have been in my line of work since uni. i am on 30k now and I work 8 - 6 in the office, most evenings and I come in on bank holidays. I have my blackberry on 365 days a year and am answerable to my clients day and night else I risk loosing their business.

I still earn a lot more than many many others.

emptyshell · 28/04/2011 15:46

Half term in some parts of the country btw... hence teachers being on here.

Might want to check term dates before rolling out that one - and I'd also bet that the teachers on here are planning or doing something else at the PC with the odd window out to check on the thread.

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:46

teamlemon Do you have an opinion on the expenses scandal? Second homes for Mps? On the royal family? Footballers salaries? How our taxes are distributed by people in government? The bankers who work for abnks we bailed out? We all question other professions. Particulalrly if they are being paid with our money.

TeamLemon · 28/04/2011 15:46

The clue is in the titles there MB. TLR means you have extra responsibilities (such as a Head of Dept, Curriculum area or Key Stage) The extra pay is renumeration for that, they don't just hand out TLRs like sweeties.

They are very rare in all but the large primary schools, more prevalent in Secondary.
The threshold pay scale is to reward experienced teachers who continue to delevelop their career - eg the better teachers, not those who stagnant.

Advanced Skills Teachers have responsibilities to travel to other schools and aid other teachers in CPD and other areas of training.

Head teachers do get paid too much imo.

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:47

How can you say that TeamLemon, Have you ever worked as a head teacher?

TeamLemon · 28/04/2011 15:49

No, but I have worked under several. The Heads payscale is huge.

And sorry, but you are allowed to say I'm paid too much, but I'm not allowed to say heads are paid too much?!

pickyourbrain · 28/04/2011 15:51

yes of course, but you picked me up on judging people who work in a role i haven't worked in...

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:52

pickyourbrain my friend works in the city and my salary doesn't even cover her expenses (oh and she doesn't have a degree) another friend works for a large multi national company and has over twice my salary plus expenses and a car...

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:54

I'm printing resources and laminating emptyshell Grin

TeamLemon · 28/04/2011 15:55

I probably have more of an idea about the working life of a headteacher than you do of any teacher pyb

TethersEnd · 28/04/2011 15:56

pickyourbrain- I love the fact that you provided a list of 'client' definitions, not one of which described the teacher:parent relationship Grin

Right. Using your wonky analogy, you are still wrong. Parents don't pay for their children's education through their taxes; they pay retrospectively for their own education. Therefore, when educating future citizens/taxpayers, the 'clients' are the children. HTH.

Teachers get paid for 195 days which is then divided up into 12 monthly payments. INSET days originally were taken from teacher's holidays, not teaching days.

Why am I here and not interfacing with my clients? I'm part time, so I get EVEN MORE days off. HahahahaHAHA!

mrz · 28/04/2011 15:56

My Blackberry is on too pickyourbrain ... organising a conference

TethersEnd · 28/04/2011 15:57

Oh, silly me, I almost forgot: MoreBeta, please answer Stayfrosty's points. Thanks Smile

COCKadoodledooo · 28/04/2011 15:58

"i am on 30k now and I work 8 - 6 in the office, most evenings and I come in on bank holidays. I have my blackberry on 365 days a year and am answerable to my clients day and night else I risk loosing their business. "

Dh is a new teacher. He gets 21k. He also has his phone on constantly so his 'clients' can contact him. Yes, even throughout the holidays. Your point is?

Of course, he is only there from 9 until 3, and only works 195 days of the year Hmm

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