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AIBU?

to be pissed off at school revelations?

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HKLP · 27/04/2011 23:19

Have name changed for this as the route in which I found out this info makes me very identifiable.

I always have my friend's DD on Teacher training days as she has to work at the school the DC attend.

My 2DC are off school today and tomorrow as the school decided to manipulate TT days so that the school broke up on 8th April(1.30pm) and return 3rd May. It means the school will be open on Polling Day (with extra safeguarding in place ) and we will not finish one day early in July as we normally do.

That's fine, but obviously 3 weeks and a day and a half makes life very difficult for WOHPs.

After speaking to my friend last night, it was revealed that the staff are not going into school on these 2 days as have worked/will work extra hours after school to make up the time.

Apparently, attendance at afterschool events will count towards this time, rather than actual training. Is this acceptable standrd practice?

AIBU to be pissed off about this?

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CurrySpice · 28/04/2011 22:40

Nobody minds anyone clarifying their position penguin, it's the martyred air about it that makes me roll my eyes

TethersEnd · 28/04/2011 22:41

"And I am working now penguin, with no union to fight my corner. And no 13 weeks holidays. I regularly have to travel for business, often with overnight stays."

Yes. And in some countries, people are working 16 hours a day with no breaks and earning 10p. So there. Stop bloody whinging, CurrySpice, you don't know you're born.

MoreBeta · 28/04/2011 22:41

I'm still working by the way.

I'll be working tomorrow.

CurrySpice · 28/04/2011 22:42

I wasn't whinging. I was "clarifying my position"

TethersEnd · 28/04/2011 22:42

I think MoreBeta is just repeatedly slamming his hands into the keyboard whilst whistling a happy tune, TBH.

TethersEnd · 28/04/2011 22:43

I'M NOT WORKING. I'VE HAD THE WHOLE DAY OFF. HAHAHAHAHA

lynehamrose · 28/04/2011 22:43

Its not teachers who start these threads, its people who want to whine and moan.

penguin73 · 28/04/2011 22:43

then I excuse your complete misjudgement of my intention curryspice, but mind you don't get dizzy with all that eye rolling or you'll struggle to get your work done.

AnnieBesant · 28/04/2011 22:44

Betadad - what do you want children and teachers to be doing in all those extra hours? Lessons, or something else?

lynehamrose · 28/04/2011 22:45

Yes MoreBeta. Youre clearly working Soooooo hard!

CurrySpice · 28/04/2011 22:46

Just finished now penguin so you can stop worrying about me

NotaMopsa · 28/04/2011 22:47

dreadful op absolutely dreadful
who allows this to go on?

penguin73 · 28/04/2011 22:47

Phew, that's a relief, I was concerned you were overdoing it. I shall sleep better tonight knowing that's not the case. Thank you for letting me know.

MoreBeta · 28/04/2011 22:58

Annie - to be honest at my my DSs school (private Prep) I want more teaching on more days as terms are even shorter than state schools. Then after school I want good quality sports coaching, drama, arts clubs, music practice, gardening club, first aid, and a quiet supervised place to do homework.

In the current periods that are holidays I would prefer children to have a chance to go to school and do something other than lessons.

I just want school open every day.

Purpleprickles · 28/04/2011 22:58

Yes teaching is the easiest job in the world and every teacher is in it for the holidays and the huge salaries .
I can't stand this ridiculous and unfounded opinion that teaching is an easy job and we swan in at 9am and skip out the door at 3pm, oh and of course stay in bed throughout all of our holidays not giving a care, thought or minute of our time to our job.
I'm a Nursery teacher and actually start teaching at 8.30am. Most days, today included, I don't have a lunch break as I spend it seeing parents, planning, dealing with outside agencies who work with children in my class. I work most evenings, at least one day of the weekend and go into schools during the holidays to prepare or sort out my class. I'm also Chair of our PTA so spend evenings at events. I love my job and knew when I went into it that teaching wasnt just a job, more of a vocation, and that I'd be expected to give more than my contracted hours. I'm not complaining about my workload but please don't degrade my profession.
I'm not going to pretend I don't enjoy the holidays and yes in some ways they can be seen as a perk of the job but most jobs have some perks don't they? DH gets taken to lunch by clients, gets a bonus when business is good, my mate gets a discount in the shop works in. But then teaching one of those professions that is an easy target for a good slating isn't it?

lynehamrose · 28/04/2011 23:00

God Beta, you actually pay to be this pissed off with every aspect of the teaching profession. You're really rather stupid aren't you?

noblegiraffe · 28/04/2011 23:05

Why don't you hire a full time nanny, MoreBeta, because what it appears you actually want is someone else to raise your kids for you.

AnnieBesant · 28/04/2011 23:11

Well, I could supervise homework I expect. I teach exxtra lessons/supervise extra work (revision, coursework etc) most nights now as it is. The rest of it - no! Neither my education nor my own talents would make me any use for your other suggestions. So really, you want schools to be open longer, and for extra people to be employed by them. But there isn't enough money for that. Tricky.

I understand that you must be frustrated with your DS's short independent school terms, but there is a big jump from that to a 47 week year. And you really, really wouldn't want me coaching your children in sport, music or art!

tiggerandpoohtoo · 28/04/2011 23:12

I haven't read all this thread, partly because i can't be bothered and partly because after my cup of tea i have to go back and finish marking my coursework so i don't have the time.
I would LOVE my hours to be 9-5! I do far more than this every day and although my contract of employment says that i am only paid for 195 days of work each year, i end up also doing far more days too!
So - if someone wants to change my working hours then go ahead!

I would like to point out though that the loss of staff due to a change like this would be much more of a problem to parents than worrying about the holidays that teachers should get at the moment.

AnnieBesant · 28/04/2011 23:17

I can see the need for better wrap around care, as I said before. I benefit from it at my own DC's school myself. But you don't just want school open every day. You want teachers providing childcare as well as education. And that is actually quite different.

Purpleprickles · 28/04/2011 23:20

Morebeta- regarding your comment about holidays, what would something other than lessons be? Specialist arts and drama courses, sports, music, cooking, car maintenance? Who would provide this? The teachers? Does that mean that as well as being trained to teach, support parents throughout their child's education, manage staff working with them that they should also all have a specialist talent to then be able to offer different activities in the holidays? Just interested in clarifyin your suggestions....

Purpleprickles · 28/04/2011 23:26

Because thinking about it surely these additional sessions in holidays which weren't within the National Curriculum would still be scrutinised in the same way as NC subjects and therefore be monitored by not only parents but the LEA, School Improvement Partner, OFSTED. This of course would mean that the standards of teaching in these additional sessions would need to be high, meaning that it would have to be something a teacher was qualified in and not just have a general interest in. For example I like making cakes and enjoy cooking with my class but have no catering certificates...

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Goblinchild · 28/04/2011 23:29

I'd rather take an MA in gardening, GYO and cookery than a further degree in APP, ALF and general acronyms.
Then I could run wrap-around care for all those poor little poppets whose parents have lifestyle needs that outstrip their desire to be with their children. The children could be independent by the time they leave primary, able to cook, wash and iron for themselves.
Yes, you owners of gagets, whatsits, holidays, cars less than 5 years old and extensive social lives. I mean you.

AnnieBesant · 28/04/2011 23:33

Hmm. Well, that would be me then Goblinchild. Not the new cars, but the wrap around care. As we keep pointing out, lots of teachers are parents.

ilovesooty · 29/04/2011 00:07

Why did you have children, MoreBeta, if you wanted other professionals to parent them for you all the time?

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