to think men should be men and women should be women

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Reading some of this feminist crap, I just wonder just what is the problem. Yes, i'm a woman. I like being a woman. I'm a SAHM. Yes, I dress dd in pink, she has a barbie. Ds, has an action man. Does this make me a bad person? seriously? Btw, not a troll.

Wow. Is this thread still going? Where are all the bra burners tonight?

A man wearing make up and high heels. Are you serious?

Well, I was talking about women, but in an ideal world, yes. Everyone should be able to be whoever they want to be. I'd love to see all gender stereotypes abolished

Why do you think it's okay for women to wear trousers, suits, shirts and other clothes which are traditionally masculine, but not acceptable for men to wear skirts and heels? It's not about women having more choice, it's because men's things are seem as good and worthy, while women's things are inferior. So it's fine for women to aspire to men's things. But a man would be lowering himself, and therefore an object of ridicule, to like women's things.

So while to some extent you're right, men are men and women are women, that's not universally true. Those people who are happy fitting into the traditional roles, clothes and careers of men and women are fine. But some people, men and women, aren't happy with those stereotypes. It's still not particularly 'cool' for men to be SAHDs, there are few women engineers, and while girls wear trousers at school, boys can't wear skirts. It should be much easier for everyone to just be themselves, without gender entering into it.

I have to add, I'm somewhat that all you seemed to absorb from my post was the idea of men in heels. Is there any point in engaging in serious discussion with you or are you just here to stir up trouble?

Oh dear. Perhaps, maybe just perhaps, I was pulling your leg.

OP isn't it a woman's duty to be pleasant and agreeable at all times and not rock the boar unnecessarily? Very masculine of you to exert your views so aggressively, argue with others and to try to stir up trouble in this way, I think.

Women should wear sober colours and not draw attention to themselves - are you trying to distract the men with your bright colours? How very predatory and unladylike of you. And who taught you to read? Everybody knows that only boys are worth educating.

The time you have taken to indulge yourself on this thread should surely have been better spent in service to your husband and family - you are debating the ways of the world when your female brain is too small and fluffy to really understand what goes on and your body too feeble and weak to change anything, anyway. Leave the debating to the men, eh?! Silly girl!

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Great post. I agree with everything you say.

Well, whether you were posting as a wind-up or not, sadly a number of posters seemed to agree that feminism as a bad thing. So, whether troll-baiting or not, I hope I've made some people think. Which is never a bad thing, even for a woman.

I agree in many ways. I am happy as a SAHM too. I have no burning desire to join the workplace. I think men and women should be EQUAL but not neccesarily the SAME.

Men look crap in heels....and they have bollocks so they walk like they have a major thrush infection...hardly the look for a pencil skirt ..

Einstein2 Sat 16-Apr-11 00:41:03
A man wearing make up and high heels. Are you serious?

A woman wearing combat trousers and flat shoes.....

mens high heels = cuban heels...platforms in the 70s..men cant rock heels

No-one should be looked down upon, discriminated against or abused because of their gender. It is nothing to do with who does the decorating, changes the nappies or the tyres, wields the penis or dangles the breasts. 'Nowt to do with pink, Barbie, Ken or Actionman. Agree with Hecate.

'You shouldn't HAVE to be SAHM just because you are a woman.'
Totally agree MadamDeathstare. It just seems that for some so called feminists think that ALL mothers should be out working full time.

Mumcsnterplus -I always wondered why men can't walk properly in heels. I always thought it was just lack of practice

Y' know, I learn something new on mumsnet every day

jellybeans - it's absolutely not true that feminists want all women out in the workplace. What we want is for women who are in the workplace to be treated exactly the same as their male colleagues.

Equally, personally, I would like to see it become as common and as acceptable for men to take career breaks and be SAHDs. The more men and women share the same roles and responsibilities, the harder it will be for any dicrimination to occur.

Depressing. Ifyou are a woman and not a feminist you must be quite thick.

... and small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri should be small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri,

(Sorry couldn't resist misquoting Douglas Adams)

I can't walk in heels. Does that mean I should be a man?

Whatevs - I don't think that's a fair statement at all. Unfortunately, a lot of myths about feminism are in circulation, such as jellybeans comment about feminists wanting women in the workplace. And there are some feminists who do tend to get very vocal about their beliefs, which are not necessarily views shared by all feminists.

Instead of calling women who aren't feminists thick, which is hardly likely to endear them to the cause, wouldn't we be better off asking them why not? It's likely they've come across a myth or a feminist with a more extreme viewpoint and been discouraged. If we engage in intelligent conversation with these women instead of insulting them, we're far more likely to convince them that actually, they are feminists, but didn't realise it before.

clearly some of you have never been to a trannie night club, some men look fabulous in heals (amazing long legs) and walking in high heels take practise for anyone.

Coconuts, you are so right. I have never been to a trainee nightclub
So is muscentreplus not correct that it's all about the bollocks?

They tuck they between their legs to get a more 'natural' line in the girly outfits. My understanding is that this is painful but worth it (loreal moment!)