To be Disturbed by this woman in a Burka? ......

[Gingefringe]

I saw a very strange event in Debenhams make-up counter this week-end which on reflection, I found very disturbing.
A woman in a full burka (including her eyes covered in thin veil) came up to the make-up counter with a man (presumably DH). The man then proceeded to ask about foundation for the woman and had a conversation with the sales assistant which rarely included the woman at all (apart from trying on a sample colour on her hand).
I felt so sorry for the poor woman - not only to be forced to wear this ridiculous veil but she wasn't allowed even to chose her own make-up!
I did give the man my best evil looks but he didn't seem to notice - perhaps because I was a woman!! I was too cowardly to say anything.

On the day that France bans the burka I wonder whether you would have said anything?

My point is 'The Law' isn't always right or fair or morivated by anything but political belief - laws are passed that serve POLITICAL purpose not just to stop crime - and they should always be questioned never blindy accepted

Agreed, so tell me an English law that I should object too.

Nudist isn;t a religion is it - and you'd be dead in the UK anyway - it's too cold to be nudey all year round - but there is a naked rambler who's quiet good :)

Just for the record I am not a Muslim not in any shape or form..

[email protected] right , it's cold as hell and rainy to boot!

well I am opposed to a lot of the anti terror legislation - the right to detain people with charge or trial - SUS laws, I opposed Clause 28 - no thankfully no longer law - I also campaigned against laws that legalised rape in marriage and criminalised Gay men - there will always be laws that deserve challenging

I wonder if the OP would have posted this thread if France had not banned the burka today.....would she still have made the same assumptions? Just wondering

Nobody said "nudist is a religion". It is a practice that is not accepted in the country you live in, just like burqas are not accepted in France. If you want to go out nude all the time, you should probably think of moving elsewhere.

well I am opposed to a lot of the anti terror legislation - the right to detain people with charge or trial - SUS laws, I opposed Clause 28 - no thankfully no longer law - I also campaigned against laws that legalised rape in marriage and criminalised Gay men - there will always be laws that deserve challenging

What decade were these in?

actually Nudist camps and beaches are quiet popular in the UK - as are naturist clubs :) if you can find any country where nudity is the accepted norm I'll agree to your point - but it's not really - so it's not a valid comparison

I have yet to be given one valid reason why banning it is a good thing :)

on basis of lady said nothing,and her dh polite to assistant you make a hell of a lot of assumptions

i wear jilbaab, and i didnt even have a conversation with my dh about it before i started wearin it, before that i didnt wear hijab, i just decided i wanted towear it and wore it.
my family are not muslim and i only knew one other women who wore it, so there was no pressure from outside, i dont attend a mosque so wasnt brainwashed by an imam, i just felt that for me it was riht.

women and men are different so have to cover differently, the same way it is acceptable for a man to walk around topless and not a woman, that is the closest analoy.
the reasonin is as men are more visual, we know from womens maazines that men et turned on by visual stuff and women in eneral are more internal thinkin that turns them on, i doubt mills and boons would titilate many men? so that is why. Islam concentrates on the rihts and benefits to the whole society as well as the rihts and benefits to individuals, as most states do.

i would prefer if my husband also wore the male version of jilbaab or thobe, with normal clothes underneath as i do, but he doesnt want to and that is his choice, if i forced him that would be oppressive.

i am british born and bred, i never felt seperate from this society until jack straw made those comments about niqaab, even thouh i dont wear it. i fully interate with this society and am part of it, actually it would be impossible for me to not be part of this society as i intrinsically am by virtue of livin bein born and workin here, my kids attendin school etc etc

pmsl anti terror legislation is - erm - now really :)

the other where in the past 25 years - aint you glad people stood up and forght for them to change rather than accepting them blindly :)

Religion is different froma life-style choice can you understand this Cote?

"on basis of lady said nothing,and her dh polite to assistant you make a hell of a lot of assumptions"

Indeed. Mebbees she had tonsilitis and her boden frock was in the wash?

I agree with the police being able to arrest anyone they think are dodgy.

[and i think you meant without charge or trial]

And some people have said ''give a reason to ban the burka''

ok I will give one if someones wears one and commits a crime they cannot be identified.

If i go into a bank with my helmet on a security man will tell me to remove it, fair enough no probs.

He is prob not allowed to ask a burka wearing woman to remove her headgear.

THATS DISCRIMINATION.

Cote, let me ask something. The burka/niqab (face covering) has been banned, correct? What is to stop these women from wearing, say, bandannas around their faces or surgical masks? The issue doesn't appear to be about "security" but about an Islamic piece of clothing and if the French Govt. think for one minute that the ban is going to prevent it then they are misguided as they've always been. The women will find other ways to cover their faces. You say it's to stop women from being "oppressed" or "left without a voice"...what about the women who are influenced to dress like 2 dollar hookers? Or who won't leave their homes without make up? Do you think they are depressed and are merely puppets in a mans' world? Or do you consider that freedom?

ok fine so ban niqaab in banks then, or let security uard check identity, works at airports etc...

but if you are wearin a helmet on the street you wont be asked to remove it?

Goodbye- Have you ever seen a woman in a bank wearing a niqab? I ask because most women of Islam do not do the banking.

wHY DON'T THEY DO THE BANKING ?

Or are they not allowed too?

Have they banned those little hats with veils too? Or are they too chic?

actually women can be asked to show their faces - how do you think they get through passport control!

The ban in france is on anything that covers the face, other than hats or sunglasses.

Ive just caught up until page 10 and i have to comment as again its the assumption that i am sonehow oppressed?
Mcan someone please give me examples how? I can flip the table and sai its oppressive gor sone jobs you have to wear certain clothing, make up, show certain bits, act filty etc.

I dont think we wearing the veil makes me more pious as someone stated, its my choice and i do it for me. I dont do acts of goodness for show or to be judged better. Same way when i let someone take my seat on a bus im doing it because i am,not for people to give me a pat on the back as such.

I really wish we could have a webchay or something with you guys who are interestef in our lifestyle choices,if not just to get rid of misconception...would this not e better for society?

Then stupid ignorant comments that say all asian are muslim!!! Or forced marriages and honour killimgs are from islaam,jist because a muslim does a certain act dont attribute it to islaam.

Goodbye- they don't tend to work and most Muslims do not allow interest on their money. Very few bank in the conventional way.

Passport control.....by going in a special little room.