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...to be angry about teenage Mum

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ftm42 · 01/04/2011 08:24

Another rant on the teenage pregnancy issue: [and I'm waiting for the flack] - our house is next door to a hostel for homeless singles / families and teenage mums. One of the teenager's own mother lives just round the corner. Why isn't she living with her mum instead of taking up a place that would be better for a 'genuine' case.

Her Mum visits daily and they walk up to her Mum's house to spend the day or go shopping, so she obviously has a good relationship with her. Her Mum's house is a big one [she's got several kids] so there's no reason why she should be using a room next door that someone else must need so much more? I know her Mum to chat to and she is very proud [sic] of her daughter and grandchild, but why can't she support her daughter responsibly instead of abusing the system?

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Birdsgottafly · 01/04/2011 09:40

Why are you not finding out why the single people are there and judging them? Is it just women who take from society? What would you like, the Magdelene launderies opened again?

Vallhala · 01/04/2011 09:45

Despite that it's feck all to do with you, OP, I'll give you an example of why.

I have two teenaged daughters whom I love dearly, born close together. I've been a lone parent ever since DD2 was 7 weeks old and had no support of any kind from my ex-husband (or anyone else, come to that).

During that time I've undergone quite a few very unhappy times, including having cancer. I'm the wrong side of 45 and I can tell you here and now that I have no intention whatsoever of having another baby in my house... I've done my share of being woken in the night, of food on the floor, of lego underfoot, of moving glassware... trite things to you, there are many more though and regardless I will not do it all over again. I wouldn't want another child of my own and I don't want to live with one in my small house.

Simply, it wouldn't happen, and DDs know that. If either DD were to become pregnant they have the choice of having an abortion of having the child somewhere else.... they have got to take responsibility for their own actions. I have given up and nearly lost my life on occasion for and because of them and the next few years are my chance to live.

Squinkle · 01/04/2011 10:12

For those of you who keep insisting that the teenage mother will get a council house out of this, you are WRONG. I worked in a women's hostel for three years. It took, on average, 8 months to even get an appointment with the local council's housing department, let alone get a property. All of the women who lived in the hostel were there because they had no choice, and out of hundreds of women I worked with, I never met one who would have agreed she was being 'handed everything on a plate'.

No-one who is not in their situation has the right to judge, and it's a real shame that you're being so closed-minded and selfish. After one day in their shoes you'd be grateful for everything you've got.

Underachieving · 01/04/2011 12:18

Let me tell you a little story...

When Jasmine was 6 her Mum, Karen, found herself in a violent relationship. Karens boyfriend used to beat her when he came home from the pub, but not every single time, only about once a month. He wasn't a classic stereotypical violent bastard, he didn't leave marks that would be visable when Karen was dressed, he was still beating her though. Karen kept silent during these beatings, hoping that little Jasmine slept through them. It went on for about 4 years until one day, aged 10, Jasmine said something and Karen realised she knew.

Karen was devastated, she reported the boyfriend to the police and although there were a few dramas about it at the time, the door got kicked in, the car was keyed, Karen successfully managed to get him out of her home and her life. Jasmine however had been secretly terrified of her stepdad. Too terrified to say anything to her mum, in case her mum got into an arguement with him about it and he hit Mummy again. Like most abused kids Jasmine thought she could somehow unspokenly project her thoughts and fear to her mum and was angry that her mum never realised she knew or that she was scared.

Jasmine never spoke about her resentment to Karen, who carried on trying to raise Jasmine like a normal little girl. Jasmine rebelled from about age 12. By 14 she was smoking pot, regularly shoplifting and hanging around all day with wasters when she should have been at school. Karen is a pretty good mother, she did try to bring Jasmine back in line, but without having the first idea what Jasmines problem was she was at a total loss. By the week of her 16th birthday Jasmine was 3 months pregnant.

The pregnancy was the last straw for Karen. She realised that Jasmine was not going to sort herself out unless it came down to tough love. Karen agonised about what to do, but knowing Jasmine she knew that she had to be tough to be loving and threw her out. it was the wake up call Jasmine needed. She could no longer avoid her confusion and awful feelings about herself by scapegoating her mother instead. She was a mother now. It was the shock she needed. She broke down in floods of tears so much so that she slid down the wall when Karen told her to leave. She blurted out everything about how the violent relationship had made her feel and how she hated her mother for not being a "proper mum" to her. Karen cried almost as much, but in relief as much as anything. At least now, she knew why Jasmine was a bad girl. Suddenly it all made sense.

Karen and Jasmine are working on thier relationship now from separate addresses. Jasmines baby is due in May, a little boy, she thinks she might call him Jack, or Callum. Karen visits Jasmine most days, Jasmine is living just a few streets away in temporary accomodation. They talk, they shop together for little Jack/Callums arival. Jasmine hopes she will be housed soon and can get to work making a home for her boy.

The responsibility of a new baby has come as a shock to Jasmine, and she will need a lot of support to learn to be a responsible mother but she needs that credit, to be herself. She needs not to rely on her mum, like she did when she was 6. She realises she needs her mother, but can no longer lash out at her like the ex-stepdad did. Jasmine has considered counselling but for now what she needs is to learn the self-reliance she never had. To return home with Karen would be the wrong thing now. She needs a fresh start. With her mothers support, but not with her mother as an in-home whipping boy.

Behind every statistic is a person.

Flowerpotmummy · 01/04/2011 12:26

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Voddy · 01/04/2011 12:30

Please stop being terrible, OP. Thanks.

WassaAxolotl · 01/04/2011 12:35

Perhaps the proud grandma is lovely in public, yes. But maybe, if that teenage mother lived with her, it would be such a terrible environment, that the baby would end up needing to be taken into care.

GetOrfMoiLand · 01/04/2011 12:40

Everybody seems to 'know' of teenage mothers who end up screwing the system and getting mansions paid for by the state.

I would expect the vast majority of those stories are just hearsay.

I was a teenage single mother. It was lucky that I had a job as otherwise I would have been on income support and then I would have been a complete scum of the earth.

I am glad that there are hostels like this for teenage mothers. I don't think for one minute that they are there to act as fast track centres to get teenage mothers a council house. They have support for young mothers and help them to look after their babies, finances etc. Better than leaving a young mother to the mercies of her possibly useless family. Better than shoving her on her own with zero support in a B&B room. Better than taking the baby away from her as would have happened 40 years ago.

I wish hostels like that would have been around 15 years ago when I had dd. I had no family which I was speaking to, dd's father fucked off and I had to struggle on my own. Christ would I have loved some non-judgemental support. As it was, I avoided health visitors like the plague, went back to work when dd was 3 months and worked my arse off whilst I was, frankly, feeling like the lowest of the low mentally.

Teenage mothers are not scum. They are not feckless slags. They are not stupid. Behind each teenage mother there is a history and a reason. Why throw them to the wolves? Why assume that they will be useless mothers and a drain on society? I am a loving mother and I pay my taxes. I am not a statistic, I am not a sad indictement on the lax morals of today. And neither are those girls in that hostel. OP (and others) apply a tiny bit of fucking intelligence to this subject before you spout ignorant rubbish.

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/04/2011 12:45

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nailak · 01/04/2011 12:48

under 25s dont et full benefits, includin housin etc

Squinkle · 01/04/2011 12:55

Completely agree with you GetOrfMoiLand, well said.

Hopefully today's dicussion will make people realise that a) there's more to situations than meets the eye, and b) it's none of their business!

boyscomingoutofmyears · 01/04/2011 13:03

How do you know they're not trying to repair a bad relationship which means they just simply can't live together. Maybe the daughter wants to learn to support herself. Maybe the mum doesn't want to support the daughter full time.

There are lots of possible scenarios.

To all those who scream "she wants a council house" please do get off your middle horses. I was a teenage mum myself and yes I did have a council house for a year or so until I found my feet. I also worked 3 jobs to pay for that council house while DH also worked FT. As soon as we could afford it we moved to private rent, then (after I spent 6 years studying while still working 2 jobs and raising 2 children) bought a house. Not all teens get pregnant to get a house and benefits, sometimes it's a genuine error which brings a much loved baby into a happy, hard-working, loving family.

boyscomingoutofmyears · 01/04/2011 13:04

And everything that Getorf said too!

IQuiteLikeVodka · 01/04/2011 13:11

OP, you write as though living in a hostel,on benefits is some kind of PRIVILEGE?
Are you jealous? Hmm . If you are so interested in the dynamics of the situation why don't you go train as a youth worker and volunteer your services....you may get a more realistic point of view than your,quite frankly,judgemental ranting....

Mamaz0n · 01/04/2011 13:13

If the daughter wants a home of her own she has to jump through certain hoops before the council will help her (not necessarily with a council house but with rent deposit schemes etc)

Secondly just because they have a good relationship now they live seperatly does not mean they do when under the same roof. Fancy living with your mother again?

Thridly, it is none of your business and unless you live a perfect life you should keep your nose out and your opinions to yourself.

DandyLioness · 01/04/2011 13:20

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crunchbag · 01/04/2011 13:20

Underachieving that was a very compelling post.

crunchbag · 01/04/2011 13:23

OP, there is no pleasing you today is there Hmm

Should we just lock up every child until they are married?

mamatomany · 01/04/2011 13:30

In the south you have to jump through massive hoops and wait a long time for most council/social housing.

That applies to the North and Midlands too, 7 years my friend was on the waiting list with 3 children, they've now got a dump that is no where near as nice as the privately rented house they've come from but she's taken it so she can feel secure.

upahill · 01/04/2011 13:32

I work with people up to the age of 25 (my usual range is 13 -19 atm)
Sometimes I have to deliver sessions at the hostel for young homeless people.
There is a mother and baby unit there.
There are some desperatley sad cases of how young people ended up living there.

However over the last 6 years I have encountered quite a few young women who have said that they could live with their parents but it is better off staying there for now because of all the support they get including benefits and help getting another home once their two year period of living there is up. If they stayed at their parents they wouldn't get anywhere else to live so it is better to pretend to be homeless!

I have met some parents (on a casual, informal basis eg when I've been shopping in town with my family). The young people that I talk about still go to mum's for washing, holidays etc.

What ftm42 says is not far off the truth. I'm not saying it is common but that it is not unheard off.

Bananamash · 01/04/2011 13:37

Exactly what valhalla said.

I was that teenage mum. My parents said to me from the start, "if you want to keep this baby, this is your baby, not ours, we have done our bit and don't want to go back to it, thank you very much!"

I moved away to uni when the baby was small, but came back when DC was 2.5. I did not live with them for the reasons stated above. I'd see them every weekend and sometimes in the week too. But they did not want us living there.

Underachieving · 01/04/2011 15:25

Most human beings are compelling crunchbag when you get to know them. That was the point of the story.

Predjudices, of every sort, can be summarised as a failure to understand all of the information before casting judgement. Indeed the very meaning of the word pre (before, or early) judice (judement).

I note how frequently benefit bashers, snobs, judgemental old cows and others of a likeness say "ah, not ALL teenage single mothers are doing it for a house, but some definately are". Oh fuck off. Some doctors murder thier patients. Some people eat coal. Sometimes a whole planet gets disqualified from the solar system. And the rest of the time, people are human beings.

Some bloke in a sheet once said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Said sheety bloke might not be a hero of mine but that statement stands alone. Show me the woman who by 21 has never chanced unprotected sex even once in her life and then show me the 100% fail-proof contraception? Until then, the benefit bashers, snobs, judgemental old cows and the like are no better than any teenage single mum, just luckier.

Deliainthemaking · 01/04/2011 15:39

Maybe her house was overcrowded?

zukiecat · 01/04/2011 19:25

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uniquegeek · 01/04/2011 19:28

Are you more bothered about the fact that she's a teenage mum or that she's getting benefits? Or both.
She has a good relationship with her mum? Good on her I say.