To think breast fed babies are more intellegent

[thecatamongthepidgeons]

Because their parents tend to be more intellegent not because they were breast fed?
More intellegent parents are more likely to choose to breast feed regardless of any dificulties they face if they think it will benefit their children.

HUGE APOLOGIES ledkr I meant Spudulika!! Sorry, had bad week and tired. Sorry!

'unfortunately, from what I have seen around me in my local area, the majority of mums who breastfeed their babies are the ones who take notice of their children and the ones who are continually on their mobiles and just bark at their wee ones give them formula'

Usual, someone said that?

That's so ignorant it's almost funny.

CDMforever what a ridiculous post. SO essentially all mothers in your local area who FF are rubbish mothers?

But ff dd LIKES it when I woof and pretend to be animals for her. is that bad?

you lot are so so catty
is this what they mean when they talk about the mumsnet vipers?!

'The minute pictures of dying babies were shown, a line was crossed. All in the pursuit of being RIGHT.'

Really? Really? You think this is what this is about??? I think the minute people start saying fuck off a line is crossed.

That mother asked for her picture to be shown. So it would educate people. And help raise awareness about the reality of the situation. Why you can't see the bigger picture is beyond me.

You are the one who cannot see the bigger picture. It really is BF at all costs to you isn't it?

i didn't do it to show how 'shit' FF is??!?!?!??!

please see post Tue 15-Mar-11 19:04:22

again, NorthernGobshite no, not particularly?!?!?!??!?!?!?

I wasn't going to come back on here, as it's all got way too heated and people are saying really nasty things on both sides. To set my case out I have bf both my sons for over a year, partly because of all the benefits I thought it would bring, partly because I was damn lucky that it all went very smoothly for me, and partly because I am bloody lazy. But I find all the boobygang monikers tedious, comments about how extended bf's do it for themselves are insulting etc.

I also find it insulting to insinuate that anyone who has not bf doesn't care as much or isn't as good a parent. Obviously that is utter shite. I have a lot of friends who tried and failed (or actually, decided they didn't want to do it), and you know what, that's fine so long as it was their decision and they didn't feel pressurised or didn't get support. I hate that one of my best friends still feels guilty for "only" having bf her son for 6 weeks.

Why the hell should it bother anyone else if it doesn't directly affect their life? It pisses me off just as much that my mum thinks it's appalling I bf my DS2 until he was nearly 2 just as much as it pisses me off that anyone should feel guilty etc about not bf.

But coming back to the intelligence thing - actually yes the most recent studies show that there is a (minor) difference to IQ if a child is bf. Well great, but is having a higher IQ actually always a better thing? I studied to a v high level at university and met some people with very high IQs who actually I have no desire for my children to be like. Yes sure I'd like them to be bright enough to do whatever they want to do. But I don't really think the additional 4 points of IQ or whatever it is is actually going to make a blind bit of difference to that, and actually if you gave me the choice of 4 points higher IQ or better socially adjusted, I know which one I'd go for every time, as I think it's the latter that will make you more successful in life.

Anyway that's all I'm saying, and really hope that hasn't offended anyone in anyway as I think there's already plenty enough of that going on.

gawd this is still going then?

ruby you should let it go now...

tsc is fffs, for fucking fucks sake? LOVE IT

grubbalo the iq thing, while individually is a nice to have/not a massive deal, at population level the benefits of bf are big and very impactful. .... hmm impactful, not a real word...sorry ff here!

indeed...

I just knew I wouldn't end up being able to leave it there....

I did say I have bf both my sons for over a year, DS2 until he was nearly 2.. I need no persuading over the benefits of breastfeeding (or indeed that people should be encouraged to breastfeed, educated etc)

But I also see no need to make people who clearly already feel crap feel worse. I am a working mum and think it's a very similar situation - it is horrible to feel so judged and told you aren't doing the best for your child when maybe circumstances have dictated that you have to do something a different way to the supposedly "best" way.

grubbalo I completely agree with you, and have posted similar sentiments on page 16 or so. Congratulations on your extended BF btw, it is LOVELY to be able/want to do it. I felt so sad when we stopped at age 2.

I have avoided this thread so far, but have made the mistake of flicking through it. Agree with the poster who likened it to a car-crash.

I have seen some pretty agressive, pointless arguments on this subject but I think this thread has reached whole new lows.

The linking to that photo was vile, spiteful and indefensible. The issue in that article was not even what is being debated here. And how Ruby can possibly say it wasn't posted to say forumula is "shit" is completely beyond me.

I am as pro-breastfeeding as they come, but the attitudes, the aggressiveness, the sheer spite and ignorance of some of the people on this thread makes me ashamed of sharing forum-space with them.

Horrible. Just horrible.

My girl is a boob obsessed vampire too - when she feeds I see a little vampire!

ruby are you getting it now?

I feel like you "got the bit between your teeth" at the cost of healthy debate, when quite possibly you would agree with TSC, me, Grubbalo and the many others.

Anyway this is not a witch hunt by me, you are totally entitled to your views and how you wish to present them. That photo was a mistake I feel, it had no place on this thread.

Peace out hommies.

Troll!!!!

The link to the picture was tenuous at best.

You have set yourself up as educator of the ignorant.

Your attitude is heartless and don't kid yourself that you have been supportive. A cursory nod towards those whom have told their stories of conplete heartache and then ploughing onwards in a blinkered fashion with a point to make and make it you will.

grubbalo - I agree, I think that social skills are more important than 4 IQ points. Though it isnt an either/or thing as far as I know - I dont think that there is any evidence that being breastfed impairs social ability?

No eviscerate of course there isn't - I just was drawing on the fact I know several people with immense IQs who have the social skills of a banana.

Therefore it puzzles me in a way that there can be so much antagonism over this - IQ levels (and in my opinion that is quite different to intelligence) are not the only means of measuring success in our children.