Ex forces members as schoolteachers, (Panorama tonight?)

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Are they being unreasoable?

Its a government idea copied from America
(suprise, suprise)

Training ex forces members to be schoolteachers (It has always been open for them to do that.)

Is it a gimmick? The trouble is Cameron learned from Blair the art of regular publicity stunts.

So it is difficult to know what to take seriously.

What do the teaching profession think of it? "Gabby"

Am looking forward to 'bootcamp' John Lewis!

So your limited experience allows you to judge a whole section of society? I wonder whether these prejudices will prevent you accepting their help in a boating/sailing/swimming/mountaineering/hill-walking accident? Or when the Fire Brigade go on strike and you need cutting out of a vehicle in a RTA or you are trapped in a burning building?

Maybe you need to observe the military a little closer before posting your offensive rubbish.

Well said penguin!

Look, army people have their function, an unfortunate function but there you go-we live in a conflict driven world.

Ex mil have been trained to think in a certain way and it is necessary that they think in that way. What they have not been trained for is how to think for themselves. They believe they have, and all the army adverts will suggest they have but really they haven't. They are autobots. They follow orders and don't think too much about it. It wouldn't be functional if they did.

Now why not put ex mil to work doing something that suits them like planning to provide us with more road salt in the winter, or gardening or something

Not even worth reacting to...but please can we some emoticon stronger than a biscuit MN?

Whose limited experience? Mine? Coming from a long line of military men including a major in the army? Sod off penguin...it's exactly because I respect the human element of the military and I've seen the consequences that I wouldn't want my son to be coopted into it. Stop and think next time before posting your kneejerk guff.

Teaching is not for the military, yes?

And guacamole you're just a sycophant. (Ask a soldier what it means)

Oh VS you really have had a limited exposure to the military (which is a bit bigger than just the Army btw ) if you believe that

What do you do VS?

Just awestruck at your PhD in sweeping generalisations....

And obviously relieved that all the students currently working through PGCEs cover vast sections on critical analysis and ethical thought.

Oh, hang on. They Dont.

Have you served amongst these people? I have. Are you a teacher? I am. Have you worked on the largest military training base in the UK and met thousands of service personnel from all ranks/backgrounds/experiences - I have. So I think that gives my points some credence.

Teaching can be for anyone with the right mentality and attitude regardless of background and until you can prove otherwise it would be nice if you could stop being so offensive.

We have a shortage of construction personel, we have a shortage of engineers and bus drivers. We don't have a shortage of teachers. Let them use their skills someplace useful.

The new entrants won't have free rein to do whatever they want, they will be just as restricted and channelled and limited as the rest of us.
They will have to learn to jump through all the hoops and talk the talk.
Some of you seemm to be thinking that military activities and brainwashing will be on the curriculum. What is the basis for this assumption?

"Now why not put ex mil to work doing something that suits them like planning to provide us with more road salt in the winter, or gardening or something."

Okay so when my brother decides to leave the Army (he's a Major in case you're interested) he should put his PhD to good use and do a spot of gardening should he?

Because heaven forbid he ends up a teacher, teaching your child.

Offensive is calling victorias a moron. And you, penguin stop being so defensive. What's the problem if someone disagrees with you???? It's just that tunnel vision and inability to acept other points of view that's inculcated by military life. Autonomy of thought and independence of spirit is anathema to the miliary.

Sycophant... Do me a favour!

Why do people assume that an ex-forces person would try to influence their students with the glories of war? From my experience being taught by an former soldier it's actually quite the contrary- his stories very much emphasised the futility and human cost of war- dulce et decorum set and all that.

Personally I would prefer my DC to have teachers from a wide range of backgrounds. To suggest, as some posters have, that forces personnel are right wing bigots is the same as suggesting that all teachers are left wing reactionaries...

What about taxi controllers? On the radio. That's a pretty taxing job plus they get to order people about, bully those they don't like and make lewd comments about women

What's worse that army men is army wives IMHO. I wouldn't mix with one of those creatures socially. Dim is not the word

Maybe knowing the two people I love most in the world risk their lives for this country on a daily basis and have to put up with this crap. And because as ex-mil turned teacher I am one of the very people you are being grossly offensive about without knowing me or whether I am any good at my job or not. And believe me, you couldn't do some of the jobs my friends do very successfully without autonomy of thought - but you prob don't know enough about the military to appreciate the myriad of roles and jobs personnel do and the qualities required to do them.

And you're calling me a sycophant... Hilarious!

"I wouldn't want ex-mil influencing my kids. They tend to be undereducated bigots in my extensive experience."

Victoria can label ALL ex military as undereducated bigots, and I'm not allowed to call her a moron!

Really VS, really?

Army wives dim? Really?

Now you're just saying things to get attention, aren't you.

Sorry for typos- typing one handed while DD feeds and autocorrect to blame!

victoriascrumptious I advise you to desist from trying to put rational cogent points to these blinkered posters. They'll wear you down with their angry refusal to accept that you hold a different opinion to them. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? If they were so sure of being right they wouldn't be quite so peeved.

Oooops! I wouldn't have said army wives are dim though! That's just being provocative.

VS- you obviously have issues from some prior experiences. They sound deep rooted and obviously cause you difficulty in thinking about this issue rationally. You may want to consider the partners of current serving personnel. Some of their loved ones are currently in dangerous places (yes, before you point it out- they signed up for that) but perhaps you could avoid belittling their family members (and me as an ex serving individual) with such ill informed guff. If you have been damaged by specific people in your life you should seek counselling- at least that would be a rationalreponse......