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AIBU?

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to spend my weekends how I choose?

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TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 13:20

I'll try and keep this short/not too ranty. I'll also try not to take offence if it turns out IABU. Here goes...

The facts:

I work full time.
I am a single parent.
I have a daughter (almost 10) and a son (11).
My children spend every other weekend with their father.
I have a boyfriend of almost a year who doesn't live with us, but with whom the children and I spend most of our free time. He loves my children and they love him.
I have a large family (3 younger-but-adult sisters, one of whom has 2 children [my nephew is 6 and my niece is 1]).

Soooo...

My sister (the one with children) is forever trying to get me to do things at the weekends. When the children are home (her children spend the same weekends with their father as mine do with theirs), I know there'll be a text asking me if I want to go swimming/if my children want to sleep over/if my daughter wants to go shopping with her/if we want to go to the park.

If I say no, because we already have plans, I will invariably get some kind of PA "[her son's name] will be very disappointed. He wanted to see his cousins" text. It will turn into some kind of snipey and increasingly passive-aggressive (from her side) text-fest. Sometimes she'll go so far as prefacing her invitations with "[her son's name] has had a really hard time at school this week and was wondering whether the kids would like to stay over" (or similar). Or she'll ask me in front of him if it's in person. Basically trying to guilt-trip me into it.

On the weekends the children aren't home, she'll invariably text me halfway through a Friday or Saturday afternoon, telling me there's going to be some kind of family dinner/outing to the pub/girls' night out/whatever. I usually make plans with my boyfriend (who also works very long hours) on weekends the children aren't home. These are things like going out to dinner or the cinema, or for a day's shopping, that we can't/don't want to do when the children are home. So we deliberately plan them in advance for when they're not.

When I say no, I already have plans, I get more PA texts, more guilt trips and plenty of snidey "you never do anything with us/you always have other plans" comments. I don't always say no. But friends of mine have noticed it, and know what she's like to the extent where if she texts me in their presence they'll say "Pretend you haven't read it yet!"

I'm not particularly anti-social, but I work all day. I leave the house at 8.30am for the school run, and get back home at 7pm after picking the children up from wherever they are after school. On the weekends the children are home, it's nice to spend them chilling out as a family, doing things together just the 3 or 4 of us. My son, although he is very patient with my nephew, is at an age where he can't help but find him a little irritating sometimes, so although he loves him dearly, he doesn't necessarily want to have a sleepover with him. I don't get to see as much of my children as I would like, and it's nice just to hang out together at weekends.

My sister is a SAHM and is always trying to get out of the house because she finds it difficult to entertain the children. I understand this, but it doesn't mean that I am the same. She is very sociable and likes to be surrounded by people at all times. I like to have peace and quiet sometimes, and to chill out at home because I am so rarely there. She really doesn't seem to understand how I can just enjoy spending a nice quiet weekend at home with the bf and the kids. I think it's her worst nightmare!

I love my sister (and my niece/nephew) very much, of course. My sister would help anyone and is the kind of person who says hello to people in the street because she once met them in a post office queue or a hospital ward. She's helped me out a lot in the past with childcare and the like. She definitely has her faults, which may be another post for another time! But she's lovely.

So, I guess what I'm asking is AIBU to be irritated by the constant PA guilt-tripping when I say no to her?

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TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 13:21

Wow, that was epic. Sorry Blush

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rubyslippers · 25/02/2011 13:25

YANBU

Much as i would love to see my sister and her kids every weekend, i would be respectful enough of their family time at the weekend to not impose

I work FT and have 2 children - soemtimes all i want to do at the weekend is stay in my PJs and not have to worry about arrangements

jellyjelly · 25/02/2011 13:28

I dont think you are unreasonable at all. I would explain face to face that you want to have fgamily time with your family as you dont see enough of them.

OTheHugeManatee · 25/02/2011 13:33

YANBU to want to spend your weekends as you wish.

YABU though if you think text message is the right way to have these discussions with your sister.

Take her out for a coffee, and explain your position in words of one syllable. She might just not have thought it through from your point of view.

MumdiddyMum · 25/02/2011 13:36

OTheHugeManate is right, it sounds to me that you just need to sit her down and have a chat - texts are a very easy way to a falling out, even with the best intentions x

minibmw2010 · 25/02/2011 13:42

This sounds more to me about your sister being lonely without her children and hoping that you feel the same and so want to meet up and do things. She may not realise that because she feels lost without them, you aren't the same.

TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 13:43

Oh, trust me. I've tried the face to face thing. I see her a lot -- at least once a week even without the weekends. She is often just as PA in person, and that way it leads to screaming rows. At least by text it is a bit of sniping, a lot of her talking about me behind my back, and it's forgotten by the next time I see her. She's very good at not holding grudges.

My family communicate a lot by text, so it's not unusual to do this.

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TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 13:45

Oh, she is not lonely without them. She's a very good mum, but she loves being without them for the weekends, especially the baby. She's hard work!

And she loves being surrounded by other people when she has the children because it's someone else to look after amuse them for a while.

I don't think she enjoys them as much as I enjoy mine, but I do know that that's because mine are older and easier. It's just that I don't feel that that is my problem as such, and almost resent my weekends with my children being taken over.

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FabbyChic · 25/02/2011 13:51

When she asks you to do something, why not say cannot this weekend but can do something in a few weeks or something along those lines, so whilst you are cancelling you are in fact making plans for the future which you can do.

I do think it would be unfair if your son is older to not have to make plans for him with the nephew/his cousin. You can porky about that and say he has his friends staying, or he is staying elsewhere.

OTheHugeManatee · 25/02/2011 13:52

So, essentially, she wants to spend weekends with you and your DCs because hers are little shits and she wants to use your kids to distract them?

YANBU.

ChaoticAngelofAnarchy · 25/02/2011 13:56

YANBU Switch your phone off then send her a text on a Sunday afternoon saying you've only just received it, as you switched your phone off so you could spend the weekend with your bf and children doing family things. Alternatively don't engage in a text message conversation with her, simply tell her you're busy and don't reply to any further messages.

TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:04

I do that, Fabby, but I suppose I could do it more. I'm often reluctant to make plans too far in advance in case something comes up and I have to cancel (their dad's parents live abroad and sometimes come over for short visits at short notice and they'll ask if they can see the children, for example). Also, because sometimes I just can't be bothered feel too tired to leave the house and stand in the cold watching her son getting in other kids' way playing in the skate park. But you're right. Maybe I could make more of an effort.

It's just the expectation, IYSWIM. I am expected to just do what she's suggesting because of the guilt-tripping.

Oh, HugeManatee, I hate that I might have given that impression! Her kids aren't little shits, honest. My niece is 18 months old and fairly hard work (as they all are at that age), and my nephew is utterly adorable. She just seems to struggle with enjoying them.

Chaotic, the 'saying I'm busy' thing is mainly what I do now, but it doesn't stop me feeling bad when she starts with the guilt-trips, or when I know she's moaning about me behind my back. It's silly to care about that, I know.

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cumbria81 · 25/02/2011 14:06

I think you SHOULD make time for your sister. Maybe not every weekend, but from time to time. Why shoudln't the kids spend time together? She's family after all and obviosuly needs you.

skybluepearl · 25/02/2011 14:08

can you just agree to do something every third or fourth weekend? otherwise just text back once saying things are too hectic at the mo and you can see her on xx date instead. could you also say that your son finds her son a bit irritating - she may have them down as a perfect match and not realise it's not a two way thing.

AgentZigzag · 25/02/2011 14:11

I'm like you and prefer doing our own thing without other people.

If your sister isn't taking up the not so subtle hints, perhaps you'll have to spell it out more clearly.

Her and her DC are not your responsibility, nor are you obligated to spend time with her.

I wouldn't switch off my phone, I'd delete her texts.

If you do tell her no, just keep being persistant and let her have her tantrums all she likes.

Water off a ducks back.

TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:12

Fair enough, cumbria. Like I said, I see her at least once a week as it is, without the weekends. And I certainly don't say no every time. I don't even say no half the time.

The kids spend plenty of time together, but because mine are older, they have very different interests and more of a social life. I don't want to have to force them into doing things, but often I tell them (particularly my son) that we ought to do whatever she wants us to do.

The thing is, yes, I SHOULD make time for my sister. And I do. But likewise surely she SHOULD make allowances for me not always wanting to do what she wants me to do/be where she wants me to be.

I think it's a family trait, tbh. It'll often be decided a couple of hours in advance that we're going to have a family dinner/go for a drink/whatever, and I know that if I say "I need a little more notice, I already have plans" I'll get "We should come first".

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TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:14

I would never say that my son finds her son a bit irritating, skybluepearl! That would devastate him and he idolises my son. It would also upset my sister, which would be unnecessary.

Thanks, AgentZigzag. It's hard because my family are so close, but I think I'll have to be more persistent.

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AgentZigzag · 25/02/2011 14:14

What? Just give into her using her own DC to emotionally blackmail the OP you mean cumbria?

Not the reason I'd want to spend time with someone, just because they've told me I should.

AgentZigzag · 25/02/2011 14:24

I'm a bit surprised that your family thinks they should come above what you and your DC think/feel.

Do they think you owe them for something?

jade80 · 25/02/2011 14:25

I'd be proactive about it. Text/call her and suggest doing something in two or three weekends time. At the same time explain that you're terribly busy right now, but you'd really like to see her, so could you make some plans. Acknowledge that she likes to do things at the last minute, say you understand and that's fine, but that at the moment you are sooo busy that you really need to plan in advance. Then do the 'I really want to see you' routine again and fix a date a few weeks away. Before ending the conversation, remind her that as you are soooo busy until then, she shouldn't ask you to do anything at short notice because you will feel JUST TERRIBLE that you HAVE to say no. Smile sweetly and relax for a couple of weekends. Then repeat if needed!

Good luck anyway...!

TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:29

No. We're very close as a family. There are no underlying issues, apart from that it seems to be an assumption that I should drop everything when they want to do something.

What I'm learning from this thread is that I need to be more persistent. I'm sure there's more to come tomorrow because it's a family occasion and I have caused more upset today! Today's drama is because a night out has been planned for next Saturday. Apparently everyone knew about this, and it has been arranged for ages, but I was only told a couple of days ago. When I told my bf about it, he said he'd planned to take me out for dinner that night as a surprise and was a bit cross that he'd then had to tell me. So I told the aforementioned sister this morning that I wouldn't be able to go, and immediately got the whole "You already knew about this. It was deliberately planned for a weekend when the kids aren't home" etc. But nobody had thought to tell me!

GRRRR Angry!

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TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:31

Ha! Thanks, jade :)

I should probably stop being so antisocial and lazy. But they're my weekends, dammit! Every day's the same for her, but not for me.

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spidookly · 25/02/2011 14:40

YANBU

I don't suppose there's a lot you can do that you're not already doing.

Would a one-off - "look, I love you, I love spending time with you and your children but I have my own life and I do not have to say yes to everything you suggest we do together" work?

How about with some added "all this constant bitching and moaning is making spending time with you into something I dread. Can we please just enjoy the time we have together and not fight about the fact that we can't do it all the time"?

I presume you've tried that.

I think the only way forward is a complete lack of interest in strops - also stop giving justifications for why you can't come. "No, sorry I'm not available" and refuse to get into any kind of discussion about it.

The latest thing is ludicrous. You can't hold somebody to an arrangement you never told them about.

She is going the wrong way about learning the lesson that the more that you harangue people about spending time with you, the less they will want to.

TobyLerone · 25/02/2011 14:44

I'm not sure I've ever been so forthright with her as you suggest, spidookly, but I think I will have to. I don't think it'll change anything from her end -- I'll still get moaned about behind my back, but I don't really care. And I'll still get the "Oh, I figured you'd already have other plans" when something is suggested, but that's nothing new either.

You're dead right with your last sentence, too.

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spidookly · 25/02/2011 14:49

Don't mind if she goes on about it behind your back. I'm sure everyone else is as sick of listening to it as you are.

Just tell her once and then refuse to discuss it with her again.

"I'm not having this conversation with you", repeat as necessary.

But since you are so fond of her and her children, make sure that sometimes the suggestions for time together, or things you might do, come from you.

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