AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

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There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

"Rubella immunity, no it won't affect DS much but I can't in all conscience not get it tested and sorted because it is so devastating for others. Non-vaxers are not all selfish morons"

I said that not long ago.

All medicine is bad is it?

FYI I take mine most Friday and Saturday nights in a chilled glass

Breast feeding is better. No doubt about that. As I said, I breastfed mine until 4 and 3 respectively. But mortality isn't higher in developed countries. Don't make it into something it isn't. It's not a cure-all for everything. The best protected child is one who is breastfed AND is vaccinated.

Mists: I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the poster who demanded that medicine be 100% safe. But if the cap fits...

I think you've just demonstrated the strength of your argument Leonie.

maths not a strong point either then?

Doesn't fit me, no, buttonmooncup. Good name btw

Hope you enjoy your medicine Leonie!

Just vaccines Leonie or anything else? Ever give your kids Calpol?

Stata and buttonmoon - leonie was talking about breastfeeding keeping her children hydrated when they are ill and therefore keeping them off a hospital drip - not as a cure all. Although it is amazing stuff :)

I ca't speak for Leonie, obviously, but I don't think my dd2 has ever had Calpol. I can't even remember the last itme I has any in the house. It will have been before dd1's gut investigations and subsequent diet changes, so at least 4 years ago (dd2 was 4 last week)

She did have anaesthetic cream when she needed blood tests at one point, but tbh only the first time - the other times she didn't.

So no, it isn't just vaccines in my case

LeonieDelt

That is assuming everyone can breastfeed, my friend couldn't as she was on meds for severe PND.

And baby was refusing ALL food/liquids, so I dount she would have taken breast had it been available!

bubbley, breastmilk is certainly great for keeping little ones hydrated during d + v. Not sure how that negates the need for vaccines though. Maybe it's the emotional language that's misleading.

Well considering we don't use the Rotavirus vaccine in the UK breastmilk is all we've got

Re Calpol - DS2 age 2 has never had it - no paracetemol/ibubrofen at all and no antibiotics.

DS1 had Calpol once with his first fever and never since. No antibiotics either.

Calpol is horrible stuff and contains an additive that has been banned in the US, Canada, Norway, Japan...but not the UK We're always a bit slow on these things. I do keep another (colourless) paracetemol mixture in the house but I haven't had to use it yet. Must check the date on it actually....

ibuprofen*

YABVU.

Love the name and opinion of last poster

I rarely use paracetamol myself - only when it's really necessary - as I would imagine most people do. If your child was in severe pain, though, would you give them Paracetamol? Even though it's not 100% safe?

buttonmooncup, my position has always ben toweigh up the situation as it is at the time.

that includes for vaccines.

so yes, of curse I oculd envisage a situation where my dds are given/need medicines or vaccines.

but it hasn't happened yet for dd2, and since dd1's gut investigations, we are severely restricted in what we can give her anyway - again, it comes down to a pay off between good that will be served adn harm that will be done.

it is a balance, and as with all balances, it has a tipping point.

Hmmm, are all these medications 100% safe I wonder?