AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

[alittlevoice]

There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

Fucking hell! Sorry Leonie I just re-read your post and realised that YOU were the subject of this crap.

I'm so, so sorry for being flippant. I didn't intend to hurt you.

Paisley. It was 1964. I still have the paperwork.

tallulah I know - you did say 1964.

little Your unborn child is protected by your immunities and while you breast feed.

If it was dire to have vaccinations, the government would make it mandatory, like having to wear seatbelts.

If it's really neglect how come my SSD report (disabilty team) says 'Mum is a caring and intelligent person' in pretty mcuh every section?

How come I worked in a field allied to CP myself and never came across vaccination status mentioned in Cp training sessions?

How come people, including at elast one well know MN poster have seen fit to leave their children happily with me in my past role as Guider many times?

My views differ from you alittlevoice but uninformed I am not and neglectful never. Does a neglectful mum of 2 asd kids end up taking an MA in ASD to best prepare for a lifetime of care? No.

Why I'm even commenting I'm not sure but the quite frankly offensive OP and the bumbling shite the op has spouted since has given me the boak. twunty fuckwit OP I'm a degree educated nurse and my DS is unvaccinated. He is a very healthy two year old who is not a walking incubus of 'killer disease' shedding bacteria and virus in his wake. He is however the nephew of a vaccine damaged child. So severely damaged by the pertussis vaccine his aunt, my sister is still in a wheelchair with numerous autoimmune diseases, numerous allergies and a 'current' diagnosis of a rare form of Guillane-Barre syndrome. She will never walk, never work, have a family infact she spends most of her time in agony reliant on others to wipe her backside for her. GBS is a rare, documented, recognised reaction to vaccination. She has recieved a payout from the vaccine compensation scheme.
There is no way that I will ever take that chance with my DC for the sake of protecting others, selfish that may make me quite frankly I don't give a flying fuck but a child abuser I am not. How fucking dare you.
www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/vacdpa5dcs.pdf

DramaQueen Brilliant post. I have to say I'm as outraged as you are by the drivel spouted by OP and others on here - and I DID have mine vaccinated! Your poor sis!

DramaQueen how shocking, poor poor girl.
Can I ask though, wouldn't not being vaccinated put your son at more risk ofGuillane-Barre syndrome?

"non vaccinated is our natural state. "

...then so is dying in our 30s. And being naked outdoors all winter. And not washing. And only eating raw meat and whatever plants we can dig up ourselves.

We're not living in caves any more. If we can avoid an infant mortality rate of OH SHIT% then we SHOULD.

NOW is BETTER.

GBS can develop as a result of a virus yes. That I cannot control, not vaccinating however I can. I would like to point out that what happened to my sister is very, very rare and I know that for the majority their children won't suffer disabling reactions. I'm just not prepared to take that chance with my child.

LeonieDelt: "Your arrogance is astonishing. Our skin is our first immune system. Bypassing it by injection is arrogance of the highest order. 3 or 4 or 6 at a time is stupendously stupid."

Um, what about the fact that we have, through science, done so with so many other illnesses in the past? Smallpox? Polio? What about I assume that as you think it is arrogant to defy mother nature you never take any medicine, seek drs advice, and live in a cave?

This thread is proof of nothing apart from the fact that there are a number of deeply selfish individuals out there that don't have the intelligence and common sense to see the consequences of what they are doing. You lot aren't child abusers, but are more like drink drivers that make decisions to drive drunk for whatever reason without any regard to who else might get hurt on the road.

LOL! at Penelope's post.

But if you are taking the meds you require to stay alive, aren't you, to use your own words, thinking you can beat mother nature? Just curious, because surely to take your argument to its logical conclusion you shouldn't be able to pick and choose?

What a load of rubbish! Plenty of medicines are prophylactic, anti-malarials for example. You give them to healthy people, don't you??? Or would you take your chances with malaria? Didn't work for Cheryl Cole...

And you DO give Rabies vaccines to healthy people. The only difference is that you are exposed to the Rabies virus in a limited number of ways. If you are bitten by a dog in an area where Rabies is endemic, would you get the Rabies vaccine? Since you don't believe that vaccines work, would you take your chances?

Choose not to vaccinate your children by all means - at the end of the day, in a developed country where most people are vaccinated with a good health system, they'll probably be OK. But please at least have an intellectually coherent argument.

Also just wondering that if the NHS is in the pay of BIG PHARMA, how come the CP vaccine hasn't been rolled out here? Guess that NICE aren't in the pay of big pharma but consider each vaccine on its merits, ie what is the efficacy, what are the side effects, what is the prevalence of the disease and what are its effects and how much does it cost to deliver. These are trained professionals who actually udnerstand science.

And, just to reiterate, I do think the OP is OTT and offensive. Of course it's not child abuse. However, it's quite right that it's noted if there are other concerns about a child's well-being as the social workers need to have a full picture of what's going on. Some parents don't vax out of neglect, many are excellent parents but sadly misinformed.

alittlevoice - you demand to know what evidence people are basing their decisions on. I posted this way back down the thread:

"FWIW I was working with expert, independent medical reviewers when the MMR scandal was at its height. I was lucky enough to have access to research and experts who could interpret it. I made a choice for ds based on that information. Doesn't mean I get angry with people who made a different choice. Theirs is equally valid."

Thing is, the choice I made was singles. Because the expert reviewers and Cochrane said MMR was 'safe' as far as they could tell BUT that the safety studies were insufficient. I checked myself and agreed - not enough work had been done to prove safety beyond all doubt for every child.

From the tone of your posts, I suspect you assume anyone who understands medical research will be blindly-pro-vaccination. That is not the case.

That's the case in my experience, edam. Most people who understand medical research are pro-vax.

There is no such thing as immunological overload. It's an invention. There's no reason for the singles to be safer than the MMR. The cohcrane reviewers are always cautious in their statements - such is science unlike quackery.

Imagine how the poor baby at 40C feels

Probably not as bad as my friends dd, who at 1 was hospitalised after her mum wasn't able to wake her up from her nap, because she was severely dehydrated due to rota virus.

Or the same child who was again hospitalised at 18mths due to whooping cough.

Both illnesses we vaccinate against here, vaccinations she didn't have!

A temp of 40 is nothing compared to her mum having to carry her listless body into A&E, holding her while she has various drips inserted & waiting 24 agonising hours for her to even start to get better.

Still...her parents don't believe in vaccines.

How can anyone knowingly put their child through a 40C temperature

How can anyone knowingly put their child through 2 serious viruses?

I also had a friend who had the same thing with rotavirus. Her daughter became so severely dehydrated she couldn't wake her up and she ended up in hospital for a week on a drip. If rotavirus had been available for my children at the time, I'd have taken it.

Nothing is risk free. Vaccines aren't safe if safe means 100% safe. But are they safer than the disease they're meant to protect against? They sure are based on the best scientific evidence available. We will get people on threads with children who are vaccine damaged (although I suspect fewer than we think) but if there were no vaccines we'd have far far far more whose children are 'disease damaged'. It's all relative.