AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

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There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

There aren't large outbreaks. You get the occasional localised outbreak which doesn't get established in the community because of the effect of herd immunity. It's a basic epidemiological concept. Why are you questioning it? Do you think it's part of the Big Pharma conspirancy?

So 4,648 cases out of a population of 24,680 (nearly 19% of the population) with a vaccination rate of 96% is a small 'localised outbreak'? Saudi Arabia measles outbreak 2007

The concept of herd immunity makes perfect sense when you have a community of people who have contracted the disease naturally and have lifelong immunity - not when you have a community of people who have temporary immunity.

I don't see the need for a conspiracy theory here but if talking about the 'greater good' convinces people to vaccinate against illnesses that aren't actually that risky then someone is making money!

Yes, it is small. I doubt that the vaccination rate is as high as reported in any case, as well as target population in this case usually referring to young children and not to adults. And it's also very likely that those who contracted measles had a more mild case with less likelihood of complications. And it's also one case - far far more cases of herd immunity preventing outbreaks. It's all based on probabilities so you can get the odd case or outbreak but it's far far less likely.

"if there was any significant effect on child development or health outcomes, then this would have been picked up after 30+ years of modern vaccines" Um... it has been picked up. Smallpox has been eradicated from general populations and vaccinations ceased in every country by 1986, but medical laboratory workers still get it because it still exists, so therefore, not completely eradicated. The general population can still be infected.

The pharmaceutical industry is a money making industry and does not have our best interests in mind. We are nothing short of human lab rats. Diseases mutate faster than we can study them. This is why vaccinations don't work in the long run. They are a bandaid.

What a load of rubbish Gotart. Vaccines are the one of the most effective way of saving children's lives in developing countries.

Have you noticed the correlation between measles vaccines and measles incidence?

And how do you think smallpox was eradicated?

OP, YABU. And fucking offensive.

I caught mumps when I was young, as a result I am deaf in one ear and have 'half' hearing in the other ear. I suffered much pain and professional/social difficulties. I wish I had been able to have the vaccination when I was younger.

I would advise all parents to vaccinate their children. Some may disagree, but having suffered the results of not being vaccinated I feel quite qualified to have an opinion!

" doubt that the vaccination rate is as high as reported in any case"
Why do you think that? Do you feel the same about reporting in all countries or just Saudi Arabia?

"as well as target population in this case usually referring to young children and not to adults"
Do you think this is any different in the UK? When was the last time we had a mass measles vaccination campaign for adults?

"it's also very likely that those who contracted measles had a more mild case with less likelihood of complications"

That's complete speculation and there is no way of knowing if they would have had a mild case even without the vaccine.

"Vaccines are the one of the most effective way of saving children's lives in developing countries. "

Actually, clean water, better sanitation and good quality healthcare with antibiotics to treat secondary infections would probably do a better job - just as they did in the UK before the vaccine was introduced in 1968.

bubblemummy - it's not either/or. All those things plus vaccines would be the ideal.

Smallpox is not eradicated, just not within the general population any longer. As it still exists, it can surface again.

Pharmaceutical companies do not give vaccinations for free. They are bought through fund raising. And feeding children is what saves their lives first and not through stuffing them full of rice and gmo soy products. But that is another discussion.

Someone else also posted about an outbreak of measles in 2007. Diseases do naturally phase out as well, like scarlet fever. Even though people still get it, its not like it use to be.

Exactly LeonieDelt No one questions it, just passes it off as being normal. This reaction, high intense fever, is not normal and most children suffer from it when vaccinated.

I think it is and the doctors in my family say so as well. My DD at 2 has only had one fever that went to 103 for about an hour. She only has had colds since I stopped BF at 20 months and those only last about 3 days.

The height of a fever doesn't indicate how serious an illness is. It is just the body's defense and I think it varies from child to child. DS1 runs very high temperatures - over 40 (not in response to vaccine :) but is still happy whereas my friend's DS just looks wiped out when he hits 39.

my friends husband had measles last year and his sperm count has reduced to practically zero as a result ( luckily he had already had 2 children in quick succession - 1st month trying for both) - the docs related the two completely?