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to be fed up that we still have Page 3 in 2011?

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JessinAvalon · 16/02/2011 11:30

If you are too, please vote for 38 Degrees to take it on as a campaign.

38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/78585-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/1492713-banning-page-3-as-it-symbolises-the-sexism-misogy?ref=comments

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JessinAvalon · 19/02/2011 18:23

I would have thought it's hard enough for women soldiers to get on anyway without having their male colleagues leering over page 3 in what is effectively their workplace.

I know your comment on the strip club thing was a joke but it implied that your DH had to have his fix of tits for you both.

Does he go along to see male strippers with you as well?

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RayneStorm · 19/02/2011 18:27

We go see female strippes because we both fancy women. There are no local strip places that have male strippers so we haven't been to a male strip club but he's always said he would go with me if there was one around.

I know what you're saying about page 3 with soldiers and in general, I just don't agree with it.

JessinAvalon · 19/02/2011 18:41

And there are lots of women who aren't ok with it.

I'd said on this thread, bearing in mind that it's not in the feminism section, that the split on those responding has been probably 60/40 against page 3. Which I was surprised by.

And no, I'm not surprised that women are ok with it. I posted earlier on in the thread that I think women and men have become totally desensitised by the objectifying culture (of women) that we live in now.

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Unrulysun · 19/02/2011 18:57

Rayne I don't think anyone has said they're threatened by P3. If the only reason you can see for not wanting young women paraded as sex objects in a publication that can be and is read by children is that someone might feel threatened by it then I'm afraid you've missed the point so much I don't think anyone's going to be able to explain it to you.

Your attitude isn't liberated as you seem to feel it is - no-one here is saying that they hate P3 because they're prudes but because it demeans us all.

RayneStorm · 19/02/2011 18:59

Unrulysun, I just don't think it demeans anyone. I know what te OP is saying, I know what you ALL are saying. I just don't agree with it.

Unrulysun · 19/02/2011 19:25

It's not clear from your posts that you do understand. You seem to think that this is about feeling 'threatened' by it and that your attitude in saying you like it and go to strip clubs is liberated. That's not the point at all.

If you do get the points being made feel free to address them.

swallowedAfly · 19/02/2011 20:14

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RayneStorm · 19/02/2011 20:59

Then be surprised. I feel how I feel about it. Patronising me isn't going to change that.

swallowedAfly · 19/02/2011 21:01

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Nancy66 · 19/02/2011 21:05

So anybody that doesn't agree with you is thick?

swallowedAfly · 19/02/2011 21:12

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DrNortherner · 19/02/2011 22:33

But you think it objectifies woman. Some woman don't agree, don't feel objectified. That doesn't make them thick.

JessinAvalon · 19/02/2011 23:38

There's plenty of evidence out there to show that things like page 3 does have an adverse impact on how men view women.

Whether or not people want to read it or believe it is another matter.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201008/sexy-women-are-seen-objects-studies-find

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MissScarlettInTheLibrary · 20/02/2011 00:53
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MissScarlettInTheLibrary · 20/02/2011 00:54

Oops.

Avantia · 20/02/2011 08:35

You see this is where feminism falls down - anyone who doesn't agree , different view is deemed as 'thick' , lacking intelligence etc

It therefore alienates some women - the feminist cause cannot acheive its goals if feminists cannot accept the views of their 'sisters' without resorting to insults .

Surely thats what women want the right to be able to view their own thoughts without being shot down by initaly what was men but nnow other women ?

Perhaps some of us are more confident in ourselves that we dont think about this 'objectification' . Also feminism has moved on along way since the fight for equal rights , pay etc . Although when I see some women juggling full time work , kids and a family life you often wonder whether it was better in the old days Grin

JessinAvalon · 20/02/2011 09:16

Avantia-you cannot dismiss all feminists and feminism because one poster on mumsnet said she struggled to understand why some women were ok with their sex being objectified!

As I said before, if it wasn't for feminists who fought on your behalf, you wouldn't enjoy many freedoms and rights that you have now. Getting a mortgage, rape within marriage being a crime, being able to vote are just a few of the many many things that feminists fought for and achieved on your behalf.

As for being confident enough not to feel objectified by page 3 etc, do you not care about the girls who do? They are subjected to these images too. Do you not care about the verbal abuse that some girls and women suffer from men who think that women are objects for them to leer at because things like page 3 give them permission to treat girls and women as sex objects?

It's a very narrow viewpoint to think 'I'm ok about it therefore it doesn't matter'. It will impact on you and your daughters and your friends' daughters but perhaps in ways so subtle that you don't even realise.

As I said before, Rape Crisis consider it a worthy enough campaign to vote and the NHS, who I work us, us increasingly worried about the objectification of women from a public health perspective. Three NHS organisations alone that I know of supported the Government's change in legislation to reclassify lap dancing clubs as sex entertainment venues.

So it's great that you are not threatened or jealous or whatever else but there is a bigger picture here. Climate change doesn't affect me either on a personal level (yet). That doesn't mean that I ignore that there is actually a problem that can and will affect other people at some point.

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hogsback · 20/02/2011 09:29

What is amusing about the Sun is that for a paper that is one of the main protagonists in the paedo-scare it is the proud publisher of plenty of now-illegal photos. A lot of the earlier page 3 spreads featured under-18 girls, some as young as 15. This was perfectly legal at the time but possession of such material now could see you charged with sexual offences and put on the register.

swallowedAfly · 21/02/2011 08:29

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Avantia · 21/02/2011 08:55

Not asking feminsim to accomodate people who disagree with you but caling people who diagree with you thick and lacking intelligence does't help if those people want to engage with you and try to understand or get a better perspective . Unfortunately see all too common on this threads.

I think its is YOU SwallwedAfly that needs to have a rethink about YOUR attitude.

swallowedAfly · 21/02/2011 08:58

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Avantia · 21/02/2011 09:22

Sorry must have misread your posts -

'not patronising you. really i suppose, by inference, my post was suggesting you must be a bit thick.'

'no i said i find it hard to believe that a woman with intelligence could be fine about the objectification of women.'

Hmm Biscuit
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