to ask if you would use donated breastmilk if it was available rather than formula?

[bubbleymummy]

Inspired by another thread.

I personally would rather use donated milk. If you wouldn't - why not?

Breast refusal in newborns is common and bf takes weeks and weeks to establish in some cases. I know, I've been there.

Since when did talking about bf facts mean a person is a bf militant?! Some people love to try and ignore how good breast milk is but that is up to them

Leonie, it doesn't matter if you're saying the TRUTH if everyone thinks you sound like a fucking loon and are offended by most of what you say.
You are alienating all the other mafiosa too!

Leonie - ahhh - it's for the good of the future world. I see. What about all the babies that died because their mother's couldn't feed them adequately? Are you going to act as an advocate for them?

You're not making me feel like shit, partly because I'm far enough down the line to be utterly secure that my 75% breastmilk fed children are as clever and healthy as any mother could dream that their children might be. I do know that your comments and those of others on this post will make people at a more vulnerable stage of motherhood feel bad though.

No Missy bm is great but so is organic food,I don't feed my dc that either.

MissyKLo - on that basis one of my sons would have gone without food for the 4 months he refused the breast then?

quote: weefriend Tue 15-Feb-11 18:55:48

bubbleymummy
For those concerned about bm carrying Cjd - why aren't you worried about cow's milk?

Possibly because Mad Cow Disease has been eradicated from the dairy herd?. end of quote.

I still think that was the real reason for the mass killings during the foot and mouth outbreak, foot and mouth can be treated yet they killed all cows and sheep on farms, even when only a few of the cows where affected and the sheep didn't have it, what else affects both sheep and cows? BSE and the scrapey they think caused it.

Right schmee - so instead of saying 'keep going' and trying to be encouraging and directing her to somewhere where she might get some support I should just ignore her? nice attitude!

Timewaster and usualsuspect - I was describing my personal experience - no need to attack me for it FFS!

Im sorry if you cant handle the facts, but that doesnt mean that people should not talk about THE FACTS.

Bubbleymummy - if you'd prefaced it with the words "if you want to" that would have been perfectly cool. Everyone has a choice and they need to make the right choice for them and their child.

Leonie who says ff babies are fat,mine certainly weren't?The beauty of ff is you can see exactly how much you're over feeding if you are-it's not rocket science.If mothers choose to over feed that's their problem.

Feeding children correct portions of healthy food and promoting a life long knowledge of healthy eating will have far more of an impact than 6 months of bm or f and can quite easily rectify any feeding problems.

All babies can go up and down in size. I've seen plenty of plump bf babies,I'd never think they're doomed to obesity because they were plump for a month or so.

This clutching of spurious stats to push a point is what is commonly caused scaremongering-not nice and you can see you're upsetting people.

yes i absolutely would feed my baby donated breastmilk, no hesitation.

bubbleymummy - that is a very good point, we should focus on getting appropriate BF support to mothers at the right time, and those who FF for whatever reason should not feel bad about that. Science is continually trying to improve FF, but it is so complex that what we have now is just the closest they could come up with.

Would love to know if LeonieDelt herself was breastfed. If she was it rather blows the 'evidence' that bf makes more intelligent babies out of the water.

FFFS - leonie is actually correct in this case, so what does that make you?

WikiPedia has interesting info on the development of FF. It goes a bit like this;

People started feeding their babies with animal milk.
scientists and nutritionists noted an increase in medical problems and infant mortality.
they made x improvement.
people noted x medical problem in babies fed with this.
they make x improvement.
people noted x medical problem in babies fed with this.
they make x improvement.
people noted x medical problem in babies fed with this.

etc until the present time.

This is all getting a bit silly isn't it!

We all do the best that we can for our children, depending on our circumstances at the time. When it comes to feeding babies, that 'best' may be breastmilk or formula.

I am pro-bf, but if bf hadn't worked for me I certainly wouldn't have watched my baby go hungry.

We all have to make choices and sometimes things just don't work out how we would like. I'm sure I won't always be able to make textbook choices for my children, but I sure as hell will do my best. I'm afraid that will just have to be good enough.

HH, why you having a go at me?

Mila, why do you keep going on about 6 months?

Hear hear.

Hear hear to Mishy1234 that is!

No way, no how, never.

Breast refusal in newborns is common and bf takes weeks and weeks to establish in some cases. I know, I've been there.

So why the fuck did none of the many bf counsellors, mws and hvs that I saw in dd's early days tell me that? Why was I made to feel like a complete failure from the mw in the delivery suite that thought skin to skin meant manhandling my breast into dd's mouth, to the mw that thought leaving me alone with a leaflet on breastfeeding at 10 o'clock at night just after the birth constituted bf support and then shouted at me when she came back and I hadn't been able to do it, to the bf counsellors who told me it was no wonder dd screamed when I tried to feed her as my breasts were too big.

When that's been your experience of bf can you none of you see why people on here questioning your commitment to it and telling you that despite your child thriving, that you've fucked up the first crucial months of their life really really hurts.

This really isn't supposed to be about making people who ff feel bad! I just wanted to know how people felt about bm that wasn't their own. I realise I've said this several times now but we just seem to be getting further away from the original topic. Unfortunately the issue is sensitive but we can't not talk about the disadvantages of formula at the risk of offending those who couldn't/ didn't want to bf.

Does anyone have an opinion on wet nursing that they would like to share with the group?

Gwendoline - thats awful! I feel so sorry for you, it sounds like a horrible and stressful experience. You should have appropriate BF support from properly trained expert councellors.

Please click on this link www.theyworkforyou.com and send a message to your MP. Tell him what you told us and hopefully stop this happening in future.