to think that parents who moan about their kids gettting too much homework..........

[rudolphsmum]

........to think that parents who moan about there kids getting too much homework can't then expect them to do well in exams.

If my son is finding something difficult I sit and explain it to him and if I can't I speak to his teacher. The most recent complaint I heard was that one mum spoke to the head teacher about her daughter finding homework hard but that she wasn't interested because all she is cares about is the school getting good results ....sorry I thought that was what a good head teacher was supposed to be concerned about.

There seems to be a certain group of parents that send there kids to school and expect all learning to go on between 9-3 Mon - Fri and then wonder why their children struggle and before anyone starts on about children being to tired or need to play and relax when they get home, I am not talking about hours of the stuff either - ok rant over ;)

theposie I think this is great attitiude to have - the vast majority are stuck with little choice within a system and we have to support them as best we can to ge through it and crucially allowing for individual differences despite shoving them through core subjects the same exams at the same times.

I think the teaching of reading and its use in homework is a seperate issue as how it is taught can make a difference, the whole approach BUT the curriculum is built around the need to access learning resources through texts inc online learning so poor reading can lead to many other areas being left out this is why it is so up there.

Ok right [deadpan]

Blanket homework policy means "everyone gets homework".

They shouldn't. Parents should just do it themselves, times tables, reading, whatever they want.

Strange how people who accuse others of laziness are reluctant to take this initative.

YABU

What rubbish! I never did homework at primary school, it just wasn't set for that age group in the 70s/80s. But I did extremely well in exams and have a first-class university degree! And what's more, I had more of my precious childhood to enjoy PLAYING!

right no I was referring to parents who dont do anything at all because they cant be bothered whether set by the school or not. How do you know what initative I take? I posted on this thread in response to OP.

Blanket policy:

Yes everyone gets homework
Some get more or less
Content is matched to the ability of child

I never did homework at primary.

"can't be bothered"

no, it's not just about can't be bothered

read, read, read -- it's not just about that - many parents are illiterate, many parents are badly educated, many parents have no time, they're working, too many other demanding children

my point is, hw is largely a disbenefit

and what's the point in every teacher settingindivdual hw? the time it takes to mark and set,they could just do it in class

people who like hw can use the initiative and sort it themselves

instead they accuse others of not bothering

when perhaps they should "bother" themselves to do their own home learning with the child

and not insist the disbenefit is hoisted on others because they "can't be bothered" to work out what they need to do to give their child a leg up

right I have read back through a number of your posts which are largely negative and bitter you even stated

"I know that my children will suffer the consequences" and make other reference to children failing, the rest of us etc

I wouldnt be worried about homeowrk in your house I would be more worried about how you negative attitude towards education and related class issues would be affecting your children - they will fail if this is the expectation conveyed to them through every look and smallest remark. I hope the rebell the hell the scronful attitude and the way in which you spout stuff which you clearly do not comprehend.

I suspect you had bad educational experience yourself or you have a tense relationship with your DC's school if you dont its even more worrying - go figure and yes your were offensive to some people back there everyone who has engaged with the topic of this thread has been draggged into crap by you

Don't make assumptions -- you have no idea. In fact your assumptions are extremely offensive. You are being personal and it's a bit weird.

I have married the statistics on failure with my experience of the national curriculum.

I haven't said a thing about my own experience which means you've had to make it up.

I despair on behalf of children being failed and on behalf of all our children who will pay for that failure.

Now you just look at your children, and you think I just look at mine, and my children's schools.

Luckily for me, I have a broader view. I've seen the nc operate through four schools, from reception to GCSE. Some schools had a high demographic intake, some schools very mixed.

I have seen how it functions and I've seen the results.

Somebody has at last seen the light, partly, and schools have for three years or so been focussing more robustly with the basics.

Hurrah. But that needs to be intensified, and hw dropped, before there'll be any real benefit.

Just because all you are interested in is your own children, don't transpose that on to other people.

Look at the statistic --

look at wha -- ??

right you are so fiull of contradictions:

"read, read, read -- it's not just about that - many parents are illiterate, many parents are badly educated, many parents have no time, they're working, too many other demanding children -" oh so are you saying I it is ok to become a parent and then shun all responsibility, those parents who are illiterate do have access to more adult learning than ever before whilst I know they would need a lot of support it is their responsibility: PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

my point is, hw is largely a disbenefit

• what evidence do you have to support this statement, explain please?

"and what's the point in every teacher settingindivdual hw? the time it takes to mark and set,they could just do it in class" You miss the point of homework, in classtime they are introducing new learning and, homework to review and extend, yeah like the currciulum isnt overloaded and they dont suffer from initative fatigue, you have no idea, and this from someone who has supposedly been in a school to do reading and seen inside a classroom. Teachers dont have time to mark work during class time

"people who like hw can use the initiative and sort it themselves" - why? you would have parents potentially selecting inappropriate content and levels as you state above differing levels of time education etc.

You are nuts

Lequeen - I have far more respect for saying what you have just said - fairs do's if you can't be bothered and are not interested but the orginal poster was getting at the connection between homework and educational achievement - as you are not grinding this axe I respect that is yor position but dont agree with it.

what statistic is that then, what experience, I havnt made anything up I have suggested a possible effect of your attitude on your DC's

I certainly am not nuts. You are abusive.

oh so are you saying I it is ok to become a parent and then shun all responsibility, those parents who are illiterate do have access to more adult learning than ever before whilst I know they would need a lot of support it is their responsibility: PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

No, I'm not saying it's ok I'm saying that's the way it is.

You are the type of person who wants to punish the children for the sins of the parents. Or the parents' own poor education. Not good. Don't be proud of yourself for that.

Not doing the setting and marking in class doing the work in class. Of course. Jeez. Taking hw away will take away the work of setting (including setting individual hw) and marking it.

As for the evidence of disbenefit, just read the thread. Please, for pity's sake.

Yes, I have an idea. I also have worked in schools.

I am a teacher of 11 years and hope to never have to deal with such a negative messed up viewpoint from a parent as yourself.

I want to "punish the sins of parents" toached a nerver there for you I think.

Can you not read for meaning? The original work is taught and set in class, the homework is set to review/extend the learning.

I hope you dont work in schools anymore. Would love to know what statistics you are referring to.

In my experience you get out in terms of educational achievement what you put in including work completed in class and at home. If a student does not complete coursework for example then they will not pass their course.

Learning is a complex process and many factors contribute towards the outcome, including the content of the curriculum and style of assessment used to assess progress and end of course assessment.

Homework simply provides more time to consolidate the learning that has taken place. There are examples on this thread of homeowrk that appeared to have no educational relevance for example drawing and insect from the garden, this is where parents SHOULD challenge the teacher and ask what the intended learning is underpinning the task it could have been part of a wider project or to develop knowledge of nature/drawing skills/ unless you seek to understand such things then I can see why parents may struggle to support such types of homework tasks.

If you have such a fucked up view of education in this country why dont you home school.

Now I am off to collect DS (5) and shall be practicing flash card words sent home by the school so he can in future help to support the mess made by people like you with your negative attitudes

Thanks god Lequeen - this is the crux of the OP and I simple say yes for reasons I stated in my orginal post. If you think not then that is the judgement you make as a parent. This is my view as both parent and practioner.

The statistics that show 115000 children failing at eleven, for a start.

For a teacher, you aren't much interested in that? You really ought to know more.

Why do you insist on making this personal?

But I'll bite. I am committed, help my children with homework, always have, I've tutored my children through school entrance, I've volunteered in schools, I've read with children, my children have been to schools with and without nc, and my children have been to schools with homework and without hw. Two of them do their hw and extended work with no problem, one of them didn't. My "sins"? What would they be, exactly, Little Miss Personal? All of which is nothing compared to the great swathes of children who get no help at all at home. None. Why should they suffer for the inability or unwillingness of their parents?

Not messed up -- very, very clear, and very, very glad I have never had to deal with a teacher with such a blinkered viewpoint as yours.

You are getting abusive and personal because you haven't got an argument any more. That's what happens.

Oh sure Love -- you read LeQ's post. Did you read the others, from supportive parents in despair? Or let's imagine the posts that will never appear here, from the parents who offer nothiing at all, nothing, in terms of home learning, for all sorts of reasons.

"Can't be bothered"? Thank God you never taught my children.

LeQueen - agree with you - when homework is sent home then, do you simply have them return it unfinished? Do you tell the teachers yours won't be doing the homework?

Yeah thank god - oh so I am teacher i should automatically know what statistics you are referring to you is laughable

As I previously stated if parents have concerns re homework they should speak to the teacher and where necessary challenge what is being set.

I never mentioned sins you did and now you are arguing with yourself you sill silly person

There isn;t a blanket right amount for everyone; ds1 is in a MS school, In September he goes to a specialist ASD Base where there is no homework at all; most of these chidlren are in MS for Primary and they need to be catered for too. there are many other social circumstances as well in which homework is hard- over crowded living etc: it's not fair to hinge chances of a decent education on such things.

Besides the base has comparable results to the comp near me that is rated as one of the best in our country so......

And absolutely I think that Primary years are for elarning through play as well as study and too much schoolwork hinders this; I was bemused when the parents at our school requested nightly homework from reception on and absolutely refused to be part of it.
Despite their SN my boys are far from behind, and in fact ds1 is now Chair fo School Council and vice captain of House so doesn't seem to have got any anti social messages from my non compliance either.

"I want to "punish the sins of parents" toached a nerver there for you I think."

clearly implies you think I'm guilty of not helping my children after school

er guess what, I'm not

and guess what, I made my own flash cards

yes, you should know if one hundred thousand children fail at eleven, you definitely ought to know that

otherwise, you should thank me for enlightening you, though it doesn't seem to change your view

you are impervious to reason and evidence and impervious now to fact

"there are many other social circumstances as well in which homework is hard- over crowded living etc: it's not fair to hinge chances of a decent education on such things."

absolutely