Well done Mr Alhadi.....but what kind of parents still have a pitbull dog as a pet?

[mrsruffallo]

Thank God for this man walking past...but really shouldn't all parents be thinking hard about having these kind of dogs in the home?

MotherJack, I guess like George Galloway said in his rant, that you can't do a lot about the idiots with the weapons on the end of the lead - so that doesn't leave much else but to ban the weapon.

No dog is inheritantly dangerous.

They are totally different depending on their upbringing.
That is exactly the point of everyone pretty much on here.
Different breeds have different characteristics like dominance, prey drive, guarding ability etc but no dog has 'aggression to people' as a trait.

That behaviour is caused by their upbringing.

But they are all different.

take for example a 2 staffords - bred to be very handlable by people even a state of high arousal. Known to be excellent dogs with childrem but not great with other dogs.

Stafford 1's owner trains his. Socialises his dog well with children and with other dogs and rewards his dog for behaving appropriatly with other dogs. Exercises his dog and treats him firmly but kindly.

Stafford 2's owner rewards playfighting. Encourages the stafford to show aggression to other dogs by constantly pushing it towards other dog-aggressive dogs and rewarding it when it retaliates. He punishes the dog with violence making it nervous and wary of people.

Owner 1 is encouraging the good traits of the stafford and training and handling the bad. Owner 2 is a numpty and his stafford will possibly turn on him or his children through fear and will attack other dogs on sight before they attack him.

That is brilliant Butterfly. Sums it up fantastically, but few will see it until they own the very last chihuahua, sadly.

Paisley - but that is the very problem with BSL, sadly.

This has got to be seen, and seen to the very end, particularly for those who are concerned about Pits being in public and mixing with children in the family home. These are some of those headline-making Pits mentioned earlier on this thread.

How Very DARE you make me blub, Butterfly. How could you possibly show such dogs in a positive light? What is wrong with you?

Exactly Beertricks - they are dogs and can be nasty, so it's only a matter of time in terms of BSL, surely?

Drug dealing parents are parents who keep pitbulls. Or young men with low testosterone levels.

and yes, cats are just evil little bastards.

Some of the ignorance on here is just ridiculous - people talking about 13 stone dogs? Have you ever even seen a Staffie - they're small-medium dogs! Pitbulls are somewhat bigger but nowhere remotely near 13 stone. Even my Rottweiler (considered a large dog) is only 7 and a bit. 13 stone would be a giant breed like a Newfoundland, and an unusually large one at that.

Also dogs have complex personalities much like we do, shaped partly by genetics and partly by environment/upbringing and they all have their own individual nature.

It'a such a sad stupid shame, firstly because of all the poor dogs stuck in rescues and pounds and being killed for want of a home because people are put off them by this prejudice. But also because it means people overlook the Staffie who would be a wonderful family dog and great with the children, and get another breed which has less of an image problem but is actually more likely to snap or bite (e.g. JRTs seem inexplicably popular among families with children). Seriously I wouldn't be surprised if this panic was leading to more children being bitten, not fewer.

I have a staff, he is the best beast in the world. Well trained well exercised, and yes they are called the nanny dog. And for good reason.

They are the most loyal dogs in the world,to the person who said that is a joke, Look at what the kennel club say, they are one of only two dog said to be good with children.

People make me laugh, you have no clue about dogs and you just go off what you think you know!

Muscle mass of a small horse! yeah so has a small horse are they dangerous!

there is a reason why staffies are banned in many countries... i.e. germany.
because if they bite they are really dangerous, no amount of training will get that out of the dogs even if they are lovely otherwise. plus they are status dogs for some irresponsible people.

Anyway on to the original subject, I can tell you what sort of person owns a pit bull, My neighbour.

Drunk druggie who screams at the top of her lungs all the time.

But Everyone who has a pitbull seized, is actually allowed to keep them, All they have to do is be castrated tattooed and micro chipped.

I wouldn't have one, but if to train any dog, they will be a good dog, but i would never trust any dog as they are just a dog.

American Staffordshire Terrier
Pitbull Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Bull Terrier
Neopolitan Mastiff
Spanish Mastiff
Dogue de Bordeux
Dogo Argentino
Fila Brasileiro
Roman Fighting Dog
Chinese Fighting Dog
Bandog
Tosa Inu

Cat.2)
Akbash
Briard
Beauceron
Bullmastiff
Dobermann
Estrela Mountain Dog
Komondor
Kuvasz
Maremma
Mastiff
Pyrenean Mastiff
Pyrenean Mountain Dog
Rottweiler
Tibetan Mastiff

and 15 other European herding breeds

The owners of these breeds must register with the stadt, and obtain a dog handling licence. Permission to continue to own one of these dogs will be granted if the dog has shown no evidence of aggression towards people, game, livestock, cats and other

Erm well so is every other dog banned in Some parts of germany, not all!

Mousy any dog is really dangerous if they bite. Have you read what people are posting??

To ban Staffords because they could cause damage in the wrong hands will only make them more desirable to those kinds of people. Banning Pit Bulls has not stopped them owning Pit Bulls, except now they are all owned and bred by numpties. I can see how that has made things much safer

Staffords are dumped en masse in pounds and rescues by these eejits because they are extremely difficult to turn into a people aggressive dog. Eejits buy them, fail to train them and end up with an an over excited, bouncy, 3 stone lapdog who is more likely to lick your burglars to death than attack them. You would have to actively train a Stafford to people aggressive. Even then it's not an easy task.

"because if they bite they are really dangerous, no amount of training will get that out of the dogs even if they are lovely otherwise"

UTTER, UTTER BOLLOCKS

Where's your proof? Have you ever been involved in the training and rehabilitation of such a dog?

You'd be amazed what rehabilitation can achieve.

How do i put a pic on here?

Whether an animal seems nice or not i dont know why people chose to keep such pwerful dogs as pets at all. Plus they are really ugly!

I can tell you the sort of person who owns a Pit Bull.

A mother 45 year old of three under 7 year olds. A married SAHM, former vet nurse whose husband is an accountant and who lives in a leafy city suburb. She's not given to screaming, deplores drug abuse and is all but teetotal.

And she rescues dogs in her spare time. Dogs who have been thrown out and abused thanks to some of the ignorance being spouted on this thread by those who have no little or no experience of Bull or any other breeds.

KnittedBreast Labradors are large, powerful dogs, originally bred for hunting. Unlike the Bull breeds who were bred intentionally to be calm with people due to the nature of dog fighting as a sport.

I thought labs were bred for retrieving (on hunts) rather than the actual killing part?

That article is upsetting. The poor boy.:(

My staff cross is not great with other dogs he doesn't know as of yet. (we are working on it!) Why? Because he was attacked by a labrador who came over whilst my dog was under control and minding his own business. The same dog has attacked my friend's St. Bernard and gone for numerous children near where we live as it kept escaping from it's garden. Do I now think all Labradors are dangerous? Not at all, of course not.

No breed of dog needs to be banned. Owning of dogs needs to be more strictly regulated in order to prevent dogs being out of control as well as preventing attacks like this happening.