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Well done Mr Alhadi.....but what kind of parents still have a pitbull dog as a pet?

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mrsruffallo · 10/02/2011 11:50

Thank God for this man walking past...but really shouldn't all parents be thinking hard about having these kind of dogs in the home?

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RealityIsKnockedUp · 10/02/2011 12:33

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mrsruffallo · 10/02/2011 12:33

I have no idea- but it seems to me that one should need a dog license and they should not be given out to people with young children.

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LessNarkyPuffin · 10/02/2011 12:35

Yes Staffies are called nanny dogs. They also, unfortunately for them, have a look that attracts people who want a dog that is 'hard'. If you encourage a dog to show aggressive behaviour you'll end up with a dangerous dog be it a staffie or a miniature poodle. The poodles just don't look as good in studded collars or choke chains.

curlymama · 10/02/2011 12:36

Jack Russels can be tiny though, and really agressive. Even though they are small, they have powerful jaws. I'm more scared of them than of great big dogs, but then that's probably because one bit me when I was little.

tethersend · 10/02/2011 12:37

Saying a dog is (potentially) dangerous is not 'blaming the dog'.

Dogs have no moral compass. It's silly to suggest anyone thinks they do.

LessNarkyPuffin · 10/02/2011 12:42

Shit. Just read the thread. I thought it was a staffie. It was a pitbull. Anyone who chooses to have one of those in their home should be charged when something like this happens. Pitbulls have been deliberately bred for aggression and having them around children is like leaving a loaded gun around.

Asteria · 10/02/2011 12:43

It really depends on the dog - and also how you rear it. That is why although there are some really good rescue dogs - people prefer to have them from puppies so that they can ensure that they are good around their families.
I had two Staffies (for security purposes initially because we lived in Cape Town) and they were amazing with my house-mate's two small children - would tear the arm off anyone who tried to brak in, but were incredibly soft with the children.
When My DS was born I had a Labrador puppy and an 8yr old Belgian Shepherd - the Belgie (who is v closely related to the Timber Wolf) was wonderful with my DS and wouldn't leave his side.
We now have a 5 month old labrador and my DS is 8 - he adores her and they sleep together. I couldn't be without a dog, but we are very gentle with her so she will always be a good natured dog. bad natured dogs are the ones to watch out for, and that generally stems from the owner mistreating them - not the breed.

LessNarkyPuffin · 10/02/2011 12:46

To own a pitbull here is illegal, and has been for long enough that if you have one in your home, even if you aren't directly using it to fight or breed dogs to fight, it will itself have been bred for that purpose, from an ever decreasing gene pool.

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mrsruffallo · 10/02/2011 12:47

'THE death of another child mauled by family pets will lead to urgent calls for a review of the Dangerous Dogs Act.

It was introduced in 1991 after a series of attacks on children but has failed to eradicate the problem.

An estimated 78,000 people, 1,000 of them children, were treated for dog bites in 2006-7.

The act made it illegal to own breeds such as the pit bull terrier, and targeted owners of any dog dangerously out of control. The maximum penalty is two years in jail.

One dog involved in yesterday?s death was described as a staffordshire bull terrier. The RSPCA fears that breeders are re-naming pit bulls to avoid prosecution.

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said: ?Dogs like pit bulls are being kept as fashion accessories by people who don?t know how to look after them.'

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mrsruffallo · 10/02/2011 12:48

So, am I wrong or is it actually illegal to own a pitbull then?

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LessNarkyPuffin · 10/02/2011 12:50

It's illegal to own a pitbull- or pitbull type as defined by the act. It's not illegal to own a staffie. From the info you've given it sounds like someone has claimed the dog was a staffie when it was actually partly or wholly pit bull.

ashamedandconfused · 10/02/2011 12:52

asteria - even with a well trained soft lab, i would not let my child sleep with it or play unsupervised. they are still animals, and unpredictable.

Big powerful macho dogs get all the bad publicity, and certainly do lots of damage when they attack - but many more children are hurt by trusted family pets, previously gentle and who have known the child for years. fact.

MrSpoc · 10/02/2011 12:53

no it is not. it is perfectly legal to own a Staffordshire Pitbull Terrier and is recomended by all the dog experts including the kennel club.

The RSPCA fears that breeders are re-naming pit bulls to avoid prosecution.

What this is saying is people with banned dogs are claiming they are Staffies but when police do a DNA test it is proven to be a banned dog.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 10/02/2011 12:54

I often walk dogs from the local rescue centre. Overwhelmingly they're Staffies. And they're all absolute sweethearts. But bloody hell they're strong.

The only dog I'd consider getting would be a Staffie rescue one, because there are so many of the poor things languishing in rescue centres. But their sheer strength completely puts me off - if one turned I know I couldn't do anything about it (unlike a cat. Or a Chihuahua (sp?) for that matter).

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 10/02/2011 12:55

The RSPCA fears that breeders are re-naming pit bulls to avoid prosecution

Another thing that puts me off, sadly :(

MrSpoc · 10/02/2011 12:56

ashamedandconfused - have you had a family dog?

You will be suprised how the dog thinks it is part of the family, they become 100% loyal if treated right. They have thier own personalities etc.

A dog can snap the same as any person can snap. the problem is no one knows when a dog or a person will snap. will you keep all people out of contact of your child in case they snap?

mrsruffallo · 10/02/2011 12:58

When a child snaps they have a tantrum. Generally, they do not maul another child and cause disfigurement or death.

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LessNarkyPuffin · 10/02/2011 13:00

Any dog that has that look attracts the wrong owners. When rotweilers became very popular the same thing happened- until those people realised that they're a bit too bright and don't respect an owner they can outthink.

wannaBe · 10/02/2011 13:02

reality, is it irresponsible of me to have a guide dog then? He is a big dog after all. Hmm

For those that judge the breed, there is no evidence that certain breeds are more agressive than others. None. In fact statistically in this country more people are bitten by golden retrievers than any other breed. But that doesn't mean that retrievers are more agressive; it simply means that more people own them than certain other breeds.

Yes dogs are animals and we should respect them as such. It is however very rare for a dog to simply turn and attack someone without provokation unless that dog is specifically known to be agressive. In almost all cases where children have been killed by dogs in the past five years the dogs have not been the much-loved family pet but have been there for guarding purposes/have been kept outside/none of them were actually in the child's home but belonged to relatives and the attacks happened in the dog's home.

It would be irresponsible to have a dog that you couldn't control i.e. a rottweiller could quite conceiveably weigh as much as me, so were I to own one there's a chance that if he decided to make a break for it I would not be able to do anything about it. But that doesn't mean that rottweillers are habitually agressive - yes they can be, but equally there are many rottweillers who are not, and given the right training and handling they are lovely dogs.

I don't like staffies because although they might have a reputation for being good with children, they have a shocking reputation wrt agression towards other dogs, and I just couldn't be doing with that. But agressive towards other dogs does not equal agressive towards people and so if people choose to keep them that doesn't make them irresponsible.

There is, in fact, a documented case of someone having been killed by a pomeranium (sp?) now that's a sort of dog you could imagine sticking a stick up its arse and using as a feather duster, and most wouldn't consider capable of causing damage beyond a quick nip.

It's never black and white. and ultimately it's like this.

if a child crawls over/pulls/hits/kicks a dog and it bites that child the child is at fault, or the parent for allowing the behavior if the child is too young to know better.

If the dog has been bred for agression and bites then it is the breeder/owner's fault.

If the dog attacks unprovoked and there is no underlying medical reason for this then there is no explanation and one could blame the dog. but tbh unprovoked attacks are so rare as to be almost unheard of. if you delve deeper there is almost always an underlying reason.

The hysteria over dogs is worse than the hysteria over paedophiles.

coldtits · 10/02/2011 13:03

If cats were the size of labradors, nobody would keep one because they are unpredicrable and can be vicious. But they aren't the size of labradors, they are tiny and cannot significantly damage anyone except maybe a fragile newborn. So we put up with their appalling behavior and untrainability because they look cute.

Large dogs are a different matter. They are big, and can kill. They are dangerous. So many pit bulls have been destryed or neutered that the only reason people are breeding them is for illegal dog fights, which necessarily need aggressive animals. SO all pit bulls have been bred from aggressive animals.

To pretend all dogs are the same until trained otherwise is naive and disingeneous. A Spaniel would be an ineffective sheepdog - they are too stupid to leard the commands. A border collie would be a crap pet for a disabled blind old lady, regardless of collie's age - they need too much exercis4e and stimulation and would destroy her house with bordom. Labs can be very nice with rabbits, for example, babying and licking them, but the only reason you'd see a Jack Russel licking a rabbit is for future reference on the flavour.

JamieLeeCurtis · 10/02/2011 13:05

Jenai - yes - I say a piece on TV that said the vast majority of dogs at Battersea Dogs' Home are now staffies

I can appreciate how you might feel sorry for them and want to provide a good home, but the problem is they attract so much negative attention, you must have to be very motivated (militant, even) to want oneand put up with that.

Cleofartra · 10/02/2011 13:06

I've got a 7 year old lab and have always left the children playing with her unsupervised. I couldn't have her if I had to drag her round the house with me - it would be impossible to live normally as a family.

"but the only reason you'd see a Jack Russel licking a rabbit is for future reference on the flavour."

Oh you've made me laugh coldtits! Grin

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 10/02/2011 13:06

Perhaps we should encourage sweet and gentle little old ladies to own Staffies. There could be some kind of scheme - sweet old lady gets company and a sense of security and in return those poor dogs holed up in rescue centres get a nice home to live in.

Give it a year or so and so self-respecting hardman/woman would be seen dead with a Staffie Grin

Mind, they're rather pully aren't they. So perhaps not ideal pets for frail elderly people. Ummmm, openly and obviously gay men? That might do the trick. Seems to have worked for taches (outside of the military that is)...

MrSpoc · 10/02/2011 13:09

Wise words wannaBe - and true about Staffies not liking other dogs. in fact mine hates other amiles but we are aware of that and so act accordingly.

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