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to be pissed off about the reaction to my son's bereavement

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elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 20:57

My Exp has recently died - he is the father of my DS.
People I regarded as good friends have actively avoided the subject with DS despite me saying how much he needs support.
How can they ignore what he is going through?
These friends are people that I have gone out of my way to help and to support and yet when it comes to something big like a bereavement they are nowhere to be found.
My son needs acknowledgment about what he is going through. But apart from a couple of friends I've heard nothing. I AM prepared to lose friendships over this.
Please tell me if IABU and how would you react to a child who had lost a parent?

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maryz · 05/02/2011 22:25

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Portofino · 05/02/2011 22:30

I am with Trinity I think. People DO find it hard, and I think with children it is worse. It is not that they are all callous bastards. Don't write them off just yet.

I know where you are coming from though. My mum died when I was small, and it seems like no-one ever spoke about her again. It was too "upsetting". Her birthday and the anniversary of her death were remembered - but in hushed tones. No-one ever celebrated the person she was when she was alive. I found this very hard.

I have made the decision that I will never hide these unpleasant things from my dd. She needs to grow up and see that it is fine to be upset and to grieve, but also that you should be able to talk about this, and talk about the people you have lost, and how to "be" with other people who are suffering. I am crap at it - everyone in my life tried to make it go away.

ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 22:30

Eliza - I'm sorry that you lost your Mum like that :(

I realised I never actually answered your question 'How would you react to a child who had lost a parent'. I'd hug them (only the once if they squirm a lot Grin, but lots if they don't, some kids are huggers - some aren't), I would say I was sorry to hear about their Dad, really sorry. I'd buy stuff - anything I thought would bring them some pleasure. I'd take them out somewhere pending on the relationship. I would tell them that they could talk to me anytime, about anything and it would stay between us. However, I have had far too much experience with death and not everyone has been so unfortunate. A lot of people struggle to know what to do or say and just clam up.

fit2drop · 05/02/2011 22:30

A lot of posters have expressed how people feel awkward around the bereaved, and yes it hurts, But if the break up was acrimonious then these would be the friends that supported you through that. That know the problems behind the marriage before it broke down. Maybe it is because they have/had no respect for him that they would find it difficult to be the right person to support your son in an honest and open way.
Its a difficult call and Im not saying your friends are right and I do understand your hurt and frustration at your friends reactions.

As an aside I remember my friend lost her year old son, people crossed the road and ignored her. She said that hurt as it was like they were acting like he had never existed or that they felt she was less important without her son.

And another aside , My hubby lost his mum when he was 9, to THIS day (he is 56) no one has ever actually told him that she died.Hmm
It was certainly a child should be seen but not heard era

peace x

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 22:31

Sorry lots of crossed posts.
Apparently they didn't tell us any sooner about his death because they had lots of people to notify so my DS whom they all love so much yet haven't seen for 8 months was not worthy of being told straight away.
They told me they had ordered flowers on behalf of my DS - I not very politely told them no I would do that with DS.
DS decided on on flowers in a DAD shape because as he said no-one else could call him dad.
My heart is breaking for him. He has been through so much. Because of his dads (and family) erratic behaviour I had to involve CAMHS at the end of last year yet they are still giving me shit.
We've not been told anything about a wake so I assume we are not welcome.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 22:34

Maryz - I was angry before, now I'm crying - kids should not have to deal with this - they just shouldn't!!!! It's not fair!! (and yes Dad, I can hear you saying 'Who ever told you life would be fair love :( )

Portofino · 05/02/2011 22:35

eliza - I am so sorry for your son. For his loss, and for the way his family are going about things. Sad

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 22:39

fit2drop no my friends didn't know him. i broke up with him when I was 3months pregnant with DS because cannabis was more important to him than coming to a scan with me. He saw his son till he was a year old then not until he was 3 when I got in contact with him
maryz none of his friends knew his dad and the funeral is 50 miles away. Believe me I wish he had a friends he could take.
chipping thankyou! Your reply has made me cry but that is exactly how I have behaved and I'm so pleased to know that other people would too. I think you;re right tho its only when you have experienced unexpected death that you can offer appropriate support.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 22:39

Utter bastards a lot of people to notify he had ONE SON FFS, one.

I just want to wrap you both up in a big bear hug and kick the other fuckers hard

With the wake, they will probably invite everyone to it while at the service, play it by ear.

fit2drop · 05/02/2011 22:40

Oh how bloody horrible,
Could you not take your so out, just you and him after the funeral, and answer any questions he has about his dad. Talk about the good times , when it was good, and some about when you was courting etc so that he has nice memories of his dad. Sort of like a trip down memory lane. I appreciate it will be difficult for you but this is something you can do for your son.
If you are not welcome at the wake its best not to go(Imo) in drink etc all sorts of crap can start and its not fair to your son to remember his dads memory being tarnished by people who are supposed to care.

Make it a day of celebration of the good times, after all you got your lovely son through this relationship . x

fit2drop · 05/02/2011 22:41

so = son Blush

maryz · 05/02/2011 22:44

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fit2drop · 05/02/2011 22:53

elizadoestoomuch

I apologise, I guess I was trying to do a devils advocate type of thing. Trying to understand it from your friends point of view.
But somehow its still the same, your friends would KNOW of him from any stories you told,

Oh I dont know Eliza, its a horrible thing thats happened and your right, your friends should be there for you and your son.

I do know and have experienced sudden loss, actually found my mum dead 6 months after my dad died. I also know that I was very unreasonable (grief) because people were damned if they did aknowledge it and damned if they didnt .... it didnt matter what people said it was the wrong thing (in my mind) If they said they knew how I felt, I said they didnt. If they said they said they were sorry for my loss I accuse them of lip service. If they ignored it I accused them of not caring ......

The most important thing was they accepted me and all my changes....
Everone reacts different to grief , either as a sufferer or a witness to it.

I sincerely hope you and your son find a way that helps you both find peace xx

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 22:53

The thing is DS isn't actually asking any questions about his dad or his death. Last night we did talk about him (he wasn't a bad man - he was poorly) but DS only talked about him in the present tense which I think is normal at this stage. Even my sister rang (from Australia) to talk about her memories of him! I swear we are doing everything the books/teachers/helplines advise. But ExPs think all that sort of thing is nonsense thats why I'm worried what they'll say to him on tuesday.
Also, and I admit this sounds incredibly crass , but ExP said a few years ago that he had made a will leaving everythin to DS. now whilst yes it is a pain losing maintenance I really don;t care as long as DS gets what his dad wanted him to get. Sadly I don;t trust his family to act responsibly. What do I do?

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elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 22:55

Sorry EXPs family

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stripeybumpsmum · 05/02/2011 23:00

Eliza, I think your DS choosing his own flowers in a Dad shape is a good sign - an emotionally mature thing to do for an 11 yo to recognise the different connections in his dad's life. One of the things I have read about childhood bereavement is that children can blame themselves (wholly irrationally), that if somehow they had been 'better' this would not have happened. Perversely, if your son's behaviour at school or home deteriorates, this could be a good sign that a) he is releasing some emotion and b) he feels in a 'safe' enough place to do that.

Your friends might be struggling with ExP death - there is a natural instinct to view the history of the deceased through rose tinted glasses (seems like EXP family are taking that to the extreme). Maybe your friends are protective of you and DS. If they know the history and cannot think of anything decent to say, they think silence is better than speaking ill of the dead and all that. But still, however useless he may have been, ExP was still your son's Dad - so like I say, flowers conversation is a good sign.

I am sorry if this offends you, but you should prepare yourself for people thinking/saying that the death 'was for the best' for your son, given the history. Completely ill informed and inappropriate but I'd be surprised if it didn't come up.

Chipping, Thanks, DD's treatment is going ok, some days are better than others. We've a long way to go but she has a BIG personality and that seems to be carrying her through. I don't think she really gets that her friend died. DS on the other hand initially couldn't understand how friend's parents were still alive, if their son had died. He also said he hadn't seen me cry, so I can't have been sad. So me being upset kind of gave him permission to be. Seems to have more understanding now, although he told DH that he (DH) can look forward to getting old 'because he will become a grandad and he'll be really old so he will be nearly dead!'Smile

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 23:00

Sorry again cross post.
maryz I agree: ExP was on anti psychotic drugs but his family insists it was because he was tired (DH is a psychiatric nurse and knows what about the drugs he was on)
We have to get back fairly quickly form funeral as I have 2 other DC to consider.
My DS would like photos from his dads flat and some toy cars but I know it will not be easy to get them.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 23:02

Your son will be entitled to a copy of the will. You can find out who is the executor from the funeral home.

fit2drop · 05/02/2011 23:06

Eliza you would need a solicitors advise regarding what your son is entitled to. If he didnt leave a will your son should inherit everything from his dads estate anyway. If he left a will then its there to be seen what his wishes were x

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 23:07

stripybumpsmum You are so right about people saying it "was for the best" or not that bad because DS "hadn't seen him for a while".
Have to admit my mother bear instinct kicked in and anyone who has made those comments so far has been put right in a very polite way!
my son has lost his dad he has lost the relationship they had and (IMO) lost the relationship they could have had.
I agree with the flowers, although I at the cost I was so relieved he had made a decision about it.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 23:08

Stripey - kids!!! My cousins little boy told my Aunt (his Grandma) this the other day 'Grandma, you are old, you'll die soon, it's a shame you wont see me be a man' We can't wait till he learns a little tact Grin I'll be thinking of you & your DD x

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 23:09

He told me a few years ago that he had mae a will but I wouldn't put it his family to ignore that.
Its not about the amount - I don;t want my DS growing thinkng his dad didn't think about him. But I don;t know how/where to ask.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 23:09

Eliza - is there a single one of them that has a heart and would bring those few bit for you on Tuesday?

elizadoestoomuch · 05/02/2011 23:12

What I mean is: when my mum died she left no will. If she'd only left me £10 it would have meant she'd thought about me - does that make sense?
~But I just know his family are going to make me out to be a money grabbing so & so. But it can be put in trust for DS - I just want him to know he was thought about.

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ChippingInSmellyCheeseFreak · 05/02/2011 23:12

Ask the funeral director. Explain that you are DS's Mum and that the family are being difficult, they should be able to tell you the solicitors. I am not familiar with the system in the UK, but you should be able to find out through the legal system too, but I'm not sure where to start, hopefully someone knows and will be able to tell you. If it was me I'd call the Funeral Directors tomorrow/monday and go from there.

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