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To be pissed off with alpha mummies slagging off the school.

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softglowsandmaybes · 03/02/2011 09:28

Was with a group of mums the other day whilst waiting for our children to finish an afterschool activity. They were all bemoaning the fact that their children only get two reading books a week (they are year 1!). Our children get two reading books, maths homework and spelling every week. I think that is adequate. They were complaining and saying that the children should be listened to reading every day at school and why should they make the effort to hear their children read if the teacher can't do it. I do think that the school could possibly hear the children read more and could maybe do with more mum volunteers to help and said this.

What really upset me was this: My DD is getting some extra help with her reading as she is struggling a bit. So her and a few others go off with the Senco (i think its the senco or might just be TA) to get some more one on one time. My DDs teacher told me it was to help boost confidence. When i said this it was like a red flag to a bull - why should my child get extra help when theirs don't. Err because my child is struggling and yours are managing perfectly well Confused maybe? This really upset me and the more i think about it the more angry i become.

The thing that gets me is this though - these children are five years old. Isn't it the way in Steiner schools etc that they aren't even introduced to reading until 6 yrs? Dont they do that on the Continent anyway? Does it matter if they aren't reading the works of shakespear (sp) before the end of year one??

Yes, i share the concern over lack of reading time at school, but to bang on about children who need extra help getting it over their precious little darlings who are managing fine is beyond me. Why do people feel the need to push push push anyway? ~I dont read with my child every day as my child doesn't want to do it every day, when she wants to read we read, so every other day we sit and read her school books. Sometimes, shock horror, we dont bother at the weekends.

Every week its the same, moaning about this that and the other about the school. Its a faith school and that is why i sent my DD there, and becuase it has the reputation as the best and most caring school in the area. I cannot praise my DDs teacher enough, he is wonderful wonderful and my DD adores him. She goes to school wiht a smile on her face and comes home with a grin - THAT is what matters to me, i am not, quite frankly, too worried about her reading at this time. I feel it will come, she is almost the youngest in her year. I just htink to myself, none of you fuckers go to church (i admit im very crap about that too) but you insisted on sending your child to this school, its a good school, stop comparing it to the other schools or i might start to wonder if you only sent your child here because its a predominantly middle class school Hmm
It makes me sad that its all push push push, why cant we just let our children be children.

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GandalfyCarawak · 03/02/2011 09:31

It is sad. I find that these types don't actually want to help with anything re. the school either, not even bake a cake for a bake stall.

Totally with you on what's important in school, too... If my child enjoys reading, that's brilliant, but I think that at this age it's the social interaction which is key.

Hullygully · 03/02/2011 09:31

Because they don't want to raise a bunch of feckless unmarried dope smoking scroungers bleeding the state dry.

dessen · 03/02/2011 09:32

Bet they are all in a group having a good moan. Wonder how many kids they have each - are these pfb? Kids are taught to read in a matter of weeks in primary school at age 5/6 on the other side of the channel. Hope you make lots of good comments - it might be what's need to stop their complaining.

bitofcheese · 03/02/2011 09:33

some mothers are really pushy, some people like to moan all the time, i think they think it somehow makes them appear to be very intelligent etc. blimey, only five and getting maths homework, when my dd was 5 she didn't get any homework, just a book. i steared well clear of that type of female, from my own point of view i can't stand these types of females, boring and too dull. don't let them get to you

cantspel · 03/02/2011 09:36

Tell them if they want some more one to one reading then get off the arses and go into the school to help.

Hullygully Thu 03-Feb-11 09:31:50
Because they don't want to raise a bunch of feckless unmarried dope smoking scroungers bleeding the state dry.

Plenty of feckless, unmarried dope smoking scroungers come out of univerisities every year.

chitchatingagain · 03/02/2011 09:36

Hully, have you woken up in a bad mood??? Grin

Those type of parents annoy me, and I've only just started on the education journey - DS1 in nursery, DS2 not old enough yet (counting down the months though!!!!!)

You should pre-arm yourself with some extra info - such as 'research shows that children that read with parents do better anyway, so it's probably better that they read more at home than at school', yadda, yadda, yadda. (no idea if it's true or not, just made it up so don't quote this one!!!!). Anything that says 'YOU get off your lazy behind and do something about it if you want your precious DC to get EXTRA'.

ItsAllaBitDeathlyQuiet · 03/02/2011 09:37

Unmarried?!

AvaBanana · 03/02/2011 09:40

YANBU.

Can you find some new 'mum' friends? They sound whingey and dull! They either should be proactive - volunteer as a reading helper, set up an after school club etc - or stop moaning.

AvaBanana · 03/02/2011 09:40

I think Hully is joking.

softglowsandmaybes · 03/02/2011 09:41

Hully have a Biscuit Do you only become a person of worth when you are married then? Didn't really think that post through did you hun Wink

Cantspel, i suggested just that and they all had a reason why they couldnt do it. I want to do it and i have a current valid CRB certificate so it would be easy, but and this is quite selfish, i don't really want to because my DD is struggling and i don't want to compare with the ones who are doing well iyswim.

Sometimes i worry that I dont read enough with my DD and that is why she is falling behind but i don't want to make her read when she doesn't want to do it. There is plenty of time in her life when she is going to have to do shit she dpesnt want to do.

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OffToNarnia · 03/02/2011 09:42

I'm with you on this though it is really hard not to get sucked in or upset. These parents are unlikely to change so you may need to try and let them 'wash over you' to keep your stress levels down. My ds age 5 loves reading but does not like writing. I have decided to just leave the writing to the school because I feel pressure at home will turn him off completely. We don't do extra home stuff in numeracy either. At the moment he loves school and i'm concentrating on keeping him off the sad board and promoting sensible behaviour rather than push, push, pushing... To me that is more important at the moment. It is hard though not to take notice of the 'what colour group is he in?' 'What level..blah, blah..' I smile in an irritating fashion I'm sure and say little! Bugger off is what I want to say!!

figcake · 03/02/2011 09:45

I wonder if your DD is in my DS' class!

My DS actually had to have targeted help with finding new friends at school as he was excluded from the main clique's non-stop play-date and sleepover schedules on the grounds that he was not smart and sassy enough (despite them having known him since birth). Their parents wrote him off, assuming that he was not clever.

Now, the parents seem to be pissed off about the fact that one year on, he is almost a free-reader whereas their little darlings are nowhere near that level. They are now whispering about the fact that he recd extra academic help which helped him to forge ahead at the expense of their dah-lings (though this was never the case). They even spread a rumour that he was being intensively coached in reading on the days he was off sick!

softglowsandmaybes · 03/02/2011 09:46

Oh don't even get me started on "what colour groups is little jonny in" I might say rainbow next time im asked.

I often wonder if these mothers project too much of themselves on their children. You see, ive done the pushy mum bit, i have a DD aged 20 - it backfired, she rebelled i wont make the same mistake twice

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simonedeboudoir · 03/02/2011 09:48

I can't bear people like this. Try not to let it get to you - I don't think they are actually trying to upset you, they are just being competitive and silly.

These are the kind of mothers who get competitive about whose children start to crawl / walk / talk first etc etc.

Children learn and develop at their own pace. They'll all get there in the end. I remember several friends from my childhood who showed promise at an early age (some were pushed by their parents, some weren't) only for things to unravel in their teenage years - exam failures, drugs etc. What's important is that she's happy at school and you're supporting her.

This will probably sound really naff but I just think 'life isn't a sprint, it's a marathon'

softglowsandmaybes · 03/02/2011 09:49

could be figcake, it woudlnt surprise me - trouble is, these mothers openly admit that they actively encourage their fiveyear olds to be competitive Hmm. I can see a time when my DD is dropped for a brighter friend, but i'm already making a massive step back from my involvement with this particular group of mums.

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figcake · 03/02/2011 09:50

I avoid them like the plague. The thought of them alone raises my stress levels. They are most welcome to fester within their germy little pressure-cooker.

Give me the indie mums any day. I feel more satisfied chatting to the mums who have recently been granted asylum (refreshingly level-headed in comparison) and the traveller mums as I don't feel as though I am being sized up against anyone

simonedeboudoir · 03/02/2011 09:53

Jesus figcake that's unbelievable. What bitches

LindyHemming · 03/02/2011 09:54

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cantspel · 03/02/2011 09:55

The last thing you should do is try to force a child to read when they dont want to. You want to develope a love of books and you cant do this if they resent doing something as it is forced on them.

My youngest went to a catholic primary with lots of pushy parents but i was lucky i could avoid them as he went on the school bus.
And on a side issue many of these parents who only choose a catholic school because it was better than the other local primary they came a cropper when it came to getting into the catholic secondary as the priest wouldn't sign the forms for them as they didn't attend mass.

prettymuchapixiegirl · 03/02/2011 09:55

Pushy, competitive parents are everywhere. I've certainly come into contact with a fair few over the years.

The key is to drop out of those types of conversations and let them get on with it.

Xenia · 03/02/2011 10:22

If they were in proper careers those women they wouldn't have time to be moaning. The housewife issue raises its head again. They need to get a life.

UnquietDad · 03/02/2011 10:24

Every school has its pushy moaners. It's more about making them look good than stretching the children, believe me. I'd just ignore them!

I do love Xenia. I think she may be my favourite feminist ever.

Feegle · 03/02/2011 10:25

[closes eyes... I dont believe in Xenia I don't believe in Xenia] Has she gone ?

softglowsandmaybes · 03/02/2011 10:30

PMSL at Xenia - around that table was two scientists, and accountant, an English teacher (who quite frankly should know better) and an artist. Perhaps they should be SAHMs so they are actually more in touch with what REALLY goes on at the school Wink

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Bonsoir · 03/02/2011 10:33

Gosh. I listen to my DD read every day after school (four times a week) - I don't expect school to listen to her read as much as I do because it takes about 20 minutes and it just isn't feasible for school to devote 20 minutes per day to each child individually for reading (plus my DD is quite good at reading - some DCs are much slower and they all read the same thing).