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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:04

This is going to be a long first post, please bear with me. I'm hoping to get a female perspective on this but men can feel free to chip in.
Background first. I'm male, we are in our 40's, married since '96. 11yo & 10yo kids. Great relationship till kids came along/work & life stresses ramped up. Mismatch of sex drives......the usual stuff. I am not the easiest to live with as I'm slightly Aspergers, have a terrible memory and probably have self esteem issues due to a very controlled upbringing (mother)that my wife has to put up with as well (though that problem is mostly better now). There is a lot of water under the bridge in our relationship (my stubbornness and inability to listen/remember issues etc.)which causes my wife deep resentment. We live in the UK.
I love my wife deeply and am very loyal.

The problem du jour:
A year ago my wife asked me if I minded her contacting an old boyfriend and another male friend on facebook (you can see whats coming).
I agreed, nice of her to ask.

A couple of months later she left her laptop open on a facebook conversation she was having with the male friend (married, doctor, USA)
She had written that she had seen a hunky cyclist that day and that had made her think of him. Oh dear, I thought. Best keep an eye on this......which I did from time to time till a few months later she changed her password.

I agonised over this and eventually installed a keylogger on her lappy. The password change coincided with her telling him that she would really like to "cuddle up to with him next top an open fire, mmmmm, what a lovely dream that would be". My heart sank.
Over the next months there were various other comments of a less worrying nature, her telling him how great her bottom looks (it does).....him telling her what great foot massages he gives......her telling him how all the nurses must fancy him.

They were messaging each other pretty much every day. After a few other flirty comments I finally decided to confront her in early December 2010.
She denied that her comments were any more than harmless banter and that she has no feelings for him and he "doesn't do anything for her" (sexually)
I pointed out that her statement didn't make sense given what she had written and how often they were in communication.
Eventually she admitted that she felt that she had "overstepped the mark" and that she enjoyed the attention from him.
She said that I had been right to spy on her and that she would have done the same.
I explained that in light of what they had been saying I was unhappy with her continuing to communicate with him but that I also felt guilty for wanting her to stop the communication.
She volunteered to communicate less frequently, stop flirting and eventually peter out the conversation.

I removed the keylogger but continued to monitor facebook (she said she was happy for me to do so and that I could bring up the subject whenever I wanted to as I was very upset about it and would need to talk)

A month later she deleted the conversation as well as all the facebook emails sent to her email addy (permanently from the 'deleted items' folder in outlook).

The new thread in facebook started mid conversation...
I asked her why she had deleted it ( I hadn't looked at it for a week) and she said that it had been accidental and that she had deleted the emails from him so that I wouldn't get upset if I noticed that they were there. Hmmmm.....
I pointed out that I had no way of knowing what they had discussed in the last week and that it made me suspicious of what had been said during that time.
She said that nothing untoward had been said and to put my mind at ease in the future, promised to never delete his emails from outlook or the facebook conversations again.

I quietly reinstalled the keylogger.

Yesterday I noticed that a new conversation had been started and that the first few posts had been deleted!! She had also deleted his emails!
I confronted her with this.
At first she denied deleting anything, then she "remembered" that she had written to him to tell him that I was aware of her being a little too "friendly" with him.
The keylogger also showed that she had expressed her dismay that she could no longer carry on the conversations like she used to with him. (she denies that's about the flirting, merely that she now feels awkward when she writes to him)
In addition she finally admitted that she had also deleted his reply to her (I had to drag all this out of her).

She is now upset with me for being suspicious of her and feels that since (she claims) nothing untoward was said in what was deleted I should draw a line under this. I pointed out that if nothing untoward was said that there was no need to delete anythin....
In addition I am now "being controlling", it's my problem and I have got to "deal with it" myself.
I replied that I want her to stop the correspondence immediately. She refused, saying that its her life and talking to him makes her happy. I pointed out that it makes me very unhappy. Her response was that its my problem since she is now doing nothing wrong in her conversations with him and that I should trust her(again).
Am I overreacting? Should I trust her? I don't know what to do. I love her deeply but I feel she has deceived me three times now.
She is steaming angry with me now btw....I think our marriage is on the rocks.

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softpaw · 31/01/2011 17:27

social networking sites are awful.people have stopped talking to one another,face to face.throw your computer in the bin.sit down and talk with your woman x

Mrswhiskerson · 31/01/2011 17:57

Yadnbu , I was on the other side a few years ago , had a male friend who I had bit of a crush on , we flirted I got that fizzy excited feeling but told myself it was safe just a bit of fun etc ,he moved back to London and we kept up the semi flirty txts unil I was sent to London on a buisness trip , I text him to see how he was doing etc waited a couple of texts back then let it slip I would be in London soon he replied we could meet for a drink and to cut a long story short we did meet I did fancy him and the feeling was mutual he promised me all I was missing in my relationship but nothing happened at all. I went home and for the next few weeks was a nightmare to live with so I went off to my dads for a week to mull things over and before I went I told my bf now my dh I was unhappy and needed so
e time to think , the crunch came when my dad said right I will take you to your bf right now you can pack your things and leave , it was the kick I needed to realise I really did love my bf so I went home and got the mostlovely loving greeting I have ever had my bf said knowing he was about to lose me made him realise how he had been (I haven't gone into detail but we had some very bad times then) I realised that by trying to solve my problems by finding excitement elsewhere I almost lost the love of my life and to this day feel guilty about how I treat him , the point to my very long story is yes she may be looking for excitement bu it does not mean the end , tell her you need time to think that you cannot and will not accept this behaviour and if you can have some time to yourself let her miss you, if she doeswant out and you still love her it will be heartbreaking but it will leave you free to find the true love you deserve if she wants to stay you can both work on your marriage and fi d the happiness you had before .

L0ST · 02/02/2011 22:00

Actually LittleMissHissyFit, I have asked her to cease and desist now. Whilst I pretty much trust her to not decieve me again with him I'm profoundly unhappy with her still talking to him. She has said that she'll stop contacting him.......

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LittleMissHissyFit · 02/02/2011 23:35

Good, glad to hear it L0ST, you deserve better.

If you are unhappy with her talking to him then you tell her to stop.

If she is unwilling to stop, you are unwilling to have her in your house.

Unless she 'gets it' and starts putting all her energy in your marriage, you are both doomed.

LittleMissHissyFit · 03/02/2011 00:17

Ask yourself why are you trusting her when she has done nothing to deserve it?

L0ST · 03/02/2011 10:39

Because she is my wife and I have to start somewhere.....
.......and kicking her out isn't an option. We have kids and besides, she hasn't done anything really horrendous (like have an affair).....just some mild flirting and subsequent deceit.....

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looblylu · 03/02/2011 11:16

If somebody is doing something that hurts you and they KNOW that it hurts you then they are being unreasonable.

She may not understand why you are upset but personally i think that if you love somebody and you know that your actions are hurting them then even if you dont understand WHY it hurts them YOU STOP

You are not being at all unreasonable OP and I hope this gets better for you

Onetoomanycornettos · 03/02/2011 11:30

I actually think you have gone somewhere, youv'e decided to get rid of the keylogger (no good comes of that, I'd absolutely not want to be in a relationship with anyone who spied on me, whatever I was or wasn't up to) and you've had a frank chat about what's going on. Personally I would say no contact for them, however, your line in the sand may not hold anyway.

I don't actually see keyloggers and such like as good things in this situation. Ok, the wife shouldn't have been flirting online, but chances are that if she hadn't been found it, it would have fizzled, gone nowhere, and no-one would have been any the wiser. If my husband had a bit of a flirt at work, if it went no-where, I would rather not know and would rather he had an affair than me have to check his online movements endlessly for years on end, I just couldnt live like that. In the past, we didn't know where our partners were, with no mobiles and no Facebook and personally, I think it's better than constantly checking on your spouse for signs of trouble which actually may not have led anywhere anyway.

LittleMissHissyFit · 03/02/2011 20:14

And where is SHE going to start?

By apologising profusely?
By doing everything in her power for to you to forgive her?
By making sure that her behaviour is so impeccable that you never have cause to doubt her for even a second? - FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES?

Look L0ST, if this were a mate of hers, a mucker, someone she talked about you with, the kids the family, the everyday stuff it'd be one thing for you to say that you were unhappy. You would be being unreasonable.

But she is overstepping the mark, she knows she is, even before you discovered it and contronted her, and she not only carried on, she defended it and accused you of trying to control her.

This is RIGHT on the line with being an EA, and if it continues she will have mentally made that leap, even if she realises this now or not.

By not taking your feelings, concern, relationship and marriage into consideration, by carrying on in the same vein when she damned well knows it bothers you is unacceptable.

She knows you are loyal, she acts as if she has impunity and that no matter what kind of betrayal she conducts she will never risk losing her family, because you are too nice a guy. In short, L0ST, she is making a Grade 1 MUG of you.

I agree the keylogger is undesirable, in that you shouldn't flaming well HAVE to use it. she shouldn't be doing this, not when you have already discussed this. It smacks of contempt of you at the least.

Had you not found out about this, and demanded she puts a stop to it, you know she would be even deeper in than she is today.

I know I am being harsh L0ST, I am truly sorry for that, but she is treating you abysmally and this is not acceptable, she is not acting in the best interests of your relationship, this guy is (to coin a WWIFNism) a friend of the marriage, and she is fighting your request to rein it in.

Perhaps ignorance would have been bliss, but it sounds like she wouldn't have let it fizzle out.

Underachieving · 03/02/2011 20:54

Lost I don't find where you're coming from too hard to comprehend. I find her to be sending mixed messages though.

On the one hand she thinks it's sexy that you were illegally spying on her. So I deduce from that that she wants you to make a display of wanting her loyalty. On the other hand, she also wants to wind up this conversation with the other man/men in her own time. That shows more concern for them and more empthy for them than for you. She says she's going to stop, whereas what I would have thought was a lot simpler would be for her to stop immediately, in one curt little message.

Although your being able to trust her should to all intents and purposes be a positive step forward, I am not sure that she's done enough to justify it and I'm still confused about the mixed messages which on one hand seem to encourage possessiveness and the other hand reject it.

I think counselling is a very good idea.

steppemum · 03/02/2011 22:10

I can see both sides here. I would be furious with you over the secret interfering with my laptop etc, I would feel smothered by the snooping and would probably react very angrily with you over it. Tha manner of it would make me feel like a teenager and parent not like a man and wife.

BUT it also seems to me that she is heading for a relationship with this guy and it is only a matter of time before they meet in real life. This online flirting is dangerous. And she is getting angry partly because she knows you are right. Despite the unwanted tactics, you are actually right, she is out of order.

I do not think you are over reacting, but I don't think another head to head over the subject will help. I like the idea of booking some time away, maybe just an evening to start. Ask her to come and talk about your marriage. Take time to remember all your good times, and talk about dreams for the future/ things you've put on hold because of kids. Imagine you are meeting her for the first time. What would you do to woo her? Create a safe place where you can talk. If this isn't your thing, think seriously about Relate.

good luck

L0ST · 11/02/2011 19:11

So today she texts me that she has broken off the conversation/contact.
I decide to take a look see and notice that in addition to her message to him sayiong goodby etc.....there is another thread (that she thought that she had deleted) with the 'unofficial' goodbye (her word) which has a bit of flirting in it and a statement that she felt that she had unfinished business with him (he reciprocated the sentiment as well)from way back.
I let her know that I could actually read what she had written and was very unchuffed.
She texted back saying that she had tried to hide that from me as I'd not be happy to read it!! Um, yeah.....
Now she wants to 'put it all behind us'.....thats a bit difficult for me since she has betrayed my trust AGAIN.....I can't believe she did it again!
I'm pretty confident she has now broken off contact with him but I can't believe the way she did it.....stunned. LittleMissHissyFit was right.....:(

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L0ST · 11/02/2011 22:40

Now she's angry with me for how I'm handling it and doesn't know if she wants to actually make up to me for it.....

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