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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:04

This is going to be a long first post, please bear with me. I'm hoping to get a female perspective on this but men can feel free to chip in.
Background first. I'm male, we are in our 40's, married since '96. 11yo & 10yo kids. Great relationship till kids came along/work & life stresses ramped up. Mismatch of sex drives......the usual stuff. I am not the easiest to live with as I'm slightly Aspergers, have a terrible memory and probably have self esteem issues due to a very controlled upbringing (mother)that my wife has to put up with as well (though that problem is mostly better now). There is a lot of water under the bridge in our relationship (my stubbornness and inability to listen/remember issues etc.)which causes my wife deep resentment. We live in the UK.
I love my wife deeply and am very loyal.

The problem du jour:
A year ago my wife asked me if I minded her contacting an old boyfriend and another male friend on facebook (you can see whats coming).
I agreed, nice of her to ask.

A couple of months later she left her laptop open on a facebook conversation she was having with the male friend (married, doctor, USA)
She had written that she had seen a hunky cyclist that day and that had made her think of him. Oh dear, I thought. Best keep an eye on this......which I did from time to time till a few months later she changed her password.

I agonised over this and eventually installed a keylogger on her lappy. The password change coincided with her telling him that she would really like to "cuddle up to with him next top an open fire, mmmmm, what a lovely dream that would be". My heart sank.
Over the next months there were various other comments of a less worrying nature, her telling him how great her bottom looks (it does).....him telling her what great foot massages he gives......her telling him how all the nurses must fancy him.

They were messaging each other pretty much every day. After a few other flirty comments I finally decided to confront her in early December 2010.
She denied that her comments were any more than harmless banter and that she has no feelings for him and he "doesn't do anything for her" (sexually)
I pointed out that her statement didn't make sense given what she had written and how often they were in communication.
Eventually she admitted that she felt that she had "overstepped the mark" and that she enjoyed the attention from him.
She said that I had been right to spy on her and that she would have done the same.
I explained that in light of what they had been saying I was unhappy with her continuing to communicate with him but that I also felt guilty for wanting her to stop the communication.
She volunteered to communicate less frequently, stop flirting and eventually peter out the conversation.

I removed the keylogger but continued to monitor facebook (she said she was happy for me to do so and that I could bring up the subject whenever I wanted to as I was very upset about it and would need to talk)

A month later she deleted the conversation as well as all the facebook emails sent to her email addy (permanently from the 'deleted items' folder in outlook).

The new thread in facebook started mid conversation...
I asked her why she had deleted it ( I hadn't looked at it for a week) and she said that it had been accidental and that she had deleted the emails from him so that I wouldn't get upset if I noticed that they were there. Hmmmm.....
I pointed out that I had no way of knowing what they had discussed in the last week and that it made me suspicious of what had been said during that time.
She said that nothing untoward had been said and to put my mind at ease in the future, promised to never delete his emails from outlook or the facebook conversations again.

I quietly reinstalled the keylogger.

Yesterday I noticed that a new conversation had been started and that the first few posts had been deleted!! She had also deleted his emails!
I confronted her with this.
At first she denied deleting anything, then she "remembered" that she had written to him to tell him that I was aware of her being a little too "friendly" with him.
The keylogger also showed that she had expressed her dismay that she could no longer carry on the conversations like she used to with him. (she denies that's about the flirting, merely that she now feels awkward when she writes to him)
In addition she finally admitted that she had also deleted his reply to her (I had to drag all this out of her).

She is now upset with me for being suspicious of her and feels that since (she claims) nothing untoward was said in what was deleted I should draw a line under this. I pointed out that if nothing untoward was said that there was no need to delete anythin....
In addition I am now "being controlling", it's my problem and I have got to "deal with it" myself.
I replied that I want her to stop the correspondence immediately. She refused, saying that its her life and talking to him makes her happy. I pointed out that it makes me very unhappy. Her response was that its my problem since she is now doing nothing wrong in her conversations with him and that I should trust her(again).
Am I overreacting? Should I trust her? I don't know what to do. I love her deeply but I feel she has deceived me three times now.
She is steaming angry with me now btw....I think our marriage is on the rocks.

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FabbyChic · 28/01/2011 17:50

You are not overreacting, I certainly would be well pissed off if it was my partner, there is far too much contact for a start.

She needs to stop all contact and do it now, to continue whilst it hurts your feelings and makes you feel like shit, plus hiding things is not a good thing.

What happens if someone came along in real life that made her feel that way would she do something?

Don't let her turn this around on you, she is guilty and she knows it but is trying to say you are overreacting, you are not.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 17:50

@dorisdazed

I thought long and hard about using the keylogger and felt terrible using it.
My wife did say that she felt it was justified and she would have done the same.
In addition (and this amused me) a few days later she texted me to say that it was sexy that I did what I did. Which I found interesting......

Re the relationship: I tell her I love her, I buy her flowers from time to time, I compliment her.
Where I think I fall down is that I can be insensitive, opinionated and overbearing if I get a bee in my bonnet about something.
I have hurt her in the past like that and I have guilt and am trying to change. I do not ever deliberately hurt her

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FabbyChic · 28/01/2011 17:53

Doris the Op is far from abusive. If you want to go tit for tat for abusive hows looking like you been in a car accident and having to tell your kids you been mugged.

Get off your fucking horse. He wants advice not slagging off.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 17:55

No, it's ok......I want all opinions. Not just ones that make me feel good. If thats how Doris feels then she can say that :)

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 17:56

What happens if someone came along in real life that made her feel that way would she do something?

I really don't think she would but I didn't think she would do what she has done either.....

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onceamai · 28/01/2011 18:42

I think she might just have wanted a bit of excitement. RL is very different from social networking. If the laptop hadn't been left open and if you hadn't installed the keylogger (which is a bit odd IMO) you would be none the wiser and far less hurt. You can't turn the clock back but your DP doesn't seem to be explicitly unfaithful in any way and probably has been quite understanding over the years.

If you both want to, and if this is for real, think you both need to put this behind you and move on. Would some counselling help because this things can be quite difficult to overcome.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 18:44

But do you think it's ok to flirt like that with an old friend of the opposite sex? Do you think it's better to remain ignorant if another man and your wife are flirting?

I'm happy to have councelling btw....

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whatdoiknowanyway · 28/01/2011 18:46

I have only skimmed the thread but can't get past the fact that the OP keylogged his wife's computer.
That's a massive breach of trust to me and regardless of anything else happening would be start of a major disagreement.
She's entitled to privacy. Can't believe so few other people find this wrong.

onceamai · 28/01/2011 18:48

No it's not OK but there are shades of gray in everything and perhaps it might have been justifiable and perhaps it might have met a need that needed meeting. And it could have been worse, it could have been real but it wasn't.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 18:50

I have only skimmed the thread but can't get past the fact that the OP keylogged his wife's computer.
That's a massive breach of trust to me and regardless of anything else happening would be start of a major disagreement.
She's entitled to privacy. Can't believe so few other people find this wrong.

I feel (and my wife does as well), that I had good cause to use the keylogger.

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gordyslovesheep · 28/01/2011 18:54

I think you are being VVU - sorry but if you keylogged me then smuggly announced you had 'good cause' to because I had flity conversations with somebody online I'd kick you out

she is an adult - either you trust her or you don't - get counselling - for yourself and your insecurity

L0ST · 28/01/2011 18:57

@gordyslovesheep

So you don't think I have reason to be insecure?

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 18:57

......and I didn't "smugly" announce it

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gordyslovesheep · 28/01/2011 19:00

no

you sounded pretty smug up there ^^

you ARE insecure - I doubt anything SHE did would change that - deal with YOUR issues before she leaves you for a man who treats her like an adult

L0ST · 28/01/2011 19:07

Why do you say I'm insecure? Because of the keylogger?

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Butterbur · 28/01/2011 19:12

If DH was having flirty conversations with people online/visiting dating sites etc, I would have no hesitation in installing a keylogger. If the situations were reversed, I don't feel I could take the moral high ground if he installed one on my laptop.

The one flirting is the one to break the trust. Like LOST's wife did.

All of you who think the keylogger is the deal-breaker are looking at this back to front.

LOST, your wife is the one in the wrong.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 19:13

I'm confused. I was perfectly secure in the relationship till she accidentally left her facebook page up and I used her lappy. Then sometime later she changed her password....surely she made me insecure with her actions?

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BelleDeJure · 28/01/2011 19:14

LOST I think your majority vote here is that you were not being unreasonable. For advice on how to move forward I suggest you post a link to this thread in the 'Relationships' section - there are some fabulous posters over there who can give you some very good and clear advice (especially with regard to 'emotional affairs') and how you can reach a resolution. Very Sad for you and your wife is not being fair or nice at all - she must be aware that this would torture you and to treat your feelings as of so little value is not good. It does not mean the end though if you can both find a way through - post in Relationships. I know you don't want to go to Marriage counselling but there are some good books posters may recommend etc.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships

L0ST · 28/01/2011 19:16

Thanks Belle :)

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Greenwing · 28/01/2011 19:27

YANBU
You are not over-reacting. She is at fault and needs to do something to regain your trust IMO.

manicbmc · 28/01/2011 19:28

YOU were perfectly secure in the relationship? Ever stop to think how your wife feels about your relationship?

You sound like you could both do with visiting Relate to talk this through with someone impartial.

MummieHunnie · 28/01/2011 19:29

With all that I have learned in life, once the trust is gone the relationship should be too! sad as that is!

Feeb1 · 28/01/2011 19:34

My take on your comments are that you are upset for yourself, worried for her ( you don't want her to get hurt), concerned how all this wil or may already be impacting your children, unsure whether to trust her and a million other emotions.

Is the issue that she is "flirting" with an old chum or would you feel the same if she was in a real life game "flirting" as and with an avatar?

Eurostar · 28/01/2011 19:36

It is illegal to install a keylogger on someone else's computer without their knowledge.

fairtradefloozy · 28/01/2011 19:36

I think its time to draw a line. She stops chatting to him and you stop spying on her online. Neither bit of behvaiour is that attractive, TBH. Line in the sand and move on.

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