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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:04

This is going to be a long first post, please bear with me. I'm hoping to get a female perspective on this but men can feel free to chip in.
Background first. I'm male, we are in our 40's, married since '96. 11yo & 10yo kids. Great relationship till kids came along/work & life stresses ramped up. Mismatch of sex drives......the usual stuff. I am not the easiest to live with as I'm slightly Aspergers, have a terrible memory and probably have self esteem issues due to a very controlled upbringing (mother)that my wife has to put up with as well (though that problem is mostly better now). There is a lot of water under the bridge in our relationship (my stubbornness and inability to listen/remember issues etc.)which causes my wife deep resentment. We live in the UK.
I love my wife deeply and am very loyal.

The problem du jour:
A year ago my wife asked me if I minded her contacting an old boyfriend and another male friend on facebook (you can see whats coming).
I agreed, nice of her to ask.

A couple of months later she left her laptop open on a facebook conversation she was having with the male friend (married, doctor, USA)
She had written that she had seen a hunky cyclist that day and that had made her think of him. Oh dear, I thought. Best keep an eye on this......which I did from time to time till a few months later she changed her password.

I agonised over this and eventually installed a keylogger on her lappy. The password change coincided with her telling him that she would really like to "cuddle up to with him next top an open fire, mmmmm, what a lovely dream that would be". My heart sank.
Over the next months there were various other comments of a less worrying nature, her telling him how great her bottom looks (it does).....him telling her what great foot massages he gives......her telling him how all the nurses must fancy him.

They were messaging each other pretty much every day. After a few other flirty comments I finally decided to confront her in early December 2010.
She denied that her comments were any more than harmless banter and that she has no feelings for him and he "doesn't do anything for her" (sexually)
I pointed out that her statement didn't make sense given what she had written and how often they were in communication.
Eventually she admitted that she felt that she had "overstepped the mark" and that she enjoyed the attention from him.
She said that I had been right to spy on her and that she would have done the same.
I explained that in light of what they had been saying I was unhappy with her continuing to communicate with him but that I also felt guilty for wanting her to stop the communication.
She volunteered to communicate less frequently, stop flirting and eventually peter out the conversation.

I removed the keylogger but continued to monitor facebook (she said she was happy for me to do so and that I could bring up the subject whenever I wanted to as I was very upset about it and would need to talk)

A month later she deleted the conversation as well as all the facebook emails sent to her email addy (permanently from the 'deleted items' folder in outlook).

The new thread in facebook started mid conversation...
I asked her why she had deleted it ( I hadn't looked at it for a week) and she said that it had been accidental and that she had deleted the emails from him so that I wouldn't get upset if I noticed that they were there. Hmmmm.....
I pointed out that I had no way of knowing what they had discussed in the last week and that it made me suspicious of what had been said during that time.
She said that nothing untoward had been said and to put my mind at ease in the future, promised to never delete his emails from outlook or the facebook conversations again.

I quietly reinstalled the keylogger.

Yesterday I noticed that a new conversation had been started and that the first few posts had been deleted!! She had also deleted his emails!
I confronted her with this.
At first she denied deleting anything, then she "remembered" that she had written to him to tell him that I was aware of her being a little too "friendly" with him.
The keylogger also showed that she had expressed her dismay that she could no longer carry on the conversations like she used to with him. (she denies that's about the flirting, merely that she now feels awkward when she writes to him)
In addition she finally admitted that she had also deleted his reply to her (I had to drag all this out of her).

She is now upset with me for being suspicious of her and feels that since (she claims) nothing untoward was said in what was deleted I should draw a line under this. I pointed out that if nothing untoward was said that there was no need to delete anythin....
In addition I am now "being controlling", it's my problem and I have got to "deal with it" myself.
I replied that I want her to stop the correspondence immediately. She refused, saying that its her life and talking to him makes her happy. I pointed out that it makes me very unhappy. Her response was that its my problem since she is now doing nothing wrong in her conversations with him and that I should trust her(again).
Am I overreacting? Should I trust her? I don't know what to do. I love her deeply but I feel she has deceived me three times now.
She is steaming angry with me now btw....I think our marriage is on the rocks.

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MrSpoc · 28/01/2011 15:34

sorry solo my bad (couldnt help it after the other thread the other day).

if it helps op i flirted with someone on FB just the once and my wife found out. I was mortified and did not think it was wrong until it came to light. (mayv be because it was online and not RL)

May be your wife is struggling with the fact that it is still essentially having an affair on line.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:35

@RevoltingPeasant

Well....we have hurt each other in the past. Lots of water under the bridge.

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:36

She says that since it's online it's ok but she has always said that attraction for her is primarily cerebral.....and this is cerebral.

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solo · 28/01/2011 15:37

Probably not the way to go, but if it was me, I'd probably send him a message and tell him to naff off.

ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 28/01/2011 15:38

Have you got anybody to talk to in RL ?

Much more useful than an interweb jobby, crap situation, think you need a chat with a mate and a hug tbh.

solo · 28/01/2011 15:39

Also, she's said that she basically wouldn't have a problem if you did it, but my guess is that unless she really doesn't love you anymore, she would definitely have a problem with it.

MrSpoc · 28/01/2011 15:40

This may sound petty but why not log onto a webchat site and leave it open and see what she says. If she kicks off say and that is how i feel.

If she aint bothererd then is she just looking for an out?

veritythebrave · 28/01/2011 15:40

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:40

Probably not the way to go, but if it was me, I'd probably send him a message and tell him to naff off.
I have thought of that but that would humiliate her so I don't want to. Plus, hes not said all that much wrong, it's mainly her......and ebven she's not said all that much either (just enough)

Have you got anybody to talk to in RL ?

Not really.....aspergers, remember

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:42

She isnt just chatting, she is flirting and imagining herself with him. YANBU

She disagrees strongly
.....and what does YANBU mean?

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solo · 28/01/2011 15:42

I really do feel for you LOST and I hope you can sort it out with a good ending all round.

L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:43

This may sound petty but why not log onto a webchat site and leave it open and see what she says. If she kicks off say and that is how i feel.

She'd be expecting a stunt like that and act accordingly.....

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solo · 28/01/2011 15:43

You Are Not Being Unreasonable

curlymama · 28/01/2011 15:46

I agree it would be a good idea to go to relate or another relationship counsellor. You both need to understand clearly how the other is feeling over this, which is much easier to do in a councelling session than it is if you are left to control the conversation yourselves.

She may be getting cross because she might think it's harmless. This guy is a great big ocaen away, therefore it's 'safe' flirting. There is no chance anything physical is going to happen, so she may have justified it in her head. And it probably does make her feel good having attention like that. All this is just me guessing by the way, just reading between the lines.

You are definately not over reacting, and even if you were, you deserve to have your feelings taken into account.

humanheart · 28/01/2011 15:46

YANBU - you are not being unreasonable.

though I think she is being VERY unreasonable and unfair. you have made it clear you are upset by it and it isn't acceptable yet she carries on - and is deleting messages to and from him. SO not fair!

L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:49

Thanks all, keep the thoughts coming.
I have tried to be even handed to avoid bias in my opening post but am acutely aware that every story has two sides and will try to get her to come on and put her side of the story (but I suspect she won't)

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:50

YANBU - you are not being unreasonable.

Jesus, you guys have an abbreviation for that in this forum. You must get a lot of these kinds of posts!!

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GORGEOUSX · 28/01/2011 15:51

Lost You are NOT over-reacting. Your wife should not be flirting with anothr man - it is disloyal to you. She knows it's wrong, that's why she offered to stop it, but she clearly doesn't want to stop it.

Anyway, I note you said you didn't want any marriage guidance so, suffice to re-iterate YOU ARE NOT OVER-REACTING

L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:53

*She may be getting cross because she might think it's harmless. This guy is a great big ocaen away, therefore it's 'safe' flirting. There is no chance anything physical is going to happen, so she may have justified it in her head. And it probably does make her feel good having attention like that. All this is just me guessing by the way, just reading between the lines.
*

That is exactly what she has said. Doesn't help me feel any better though.....it's horrible when your wife is still conversing with someone that she has said those things to. Even if she has promised to stop, then again, she promised to not delete any more posts.....

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L0ST · 28/01/2011 15:53

@GORGEOUSX

Thanks...

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Shodan · 28/01/2011 15:54

No, I don't think you're overreacting.

The fact is that she is doing something which hurts you. Never mind whether it would hurt anybody else or not, it hurts you, and you are her husband. If this man really means nothing to her, then she shouldn't have a problem letting the correspondence lapse.

I would also have a big problem with the fact that she went back on her word re not deleting the e-mails. If it is an innocent relationship, there would be nothing untoward to see.

veritythebrave · 28/01/2011 15:55

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FindingStuffToChuckOut · 28/01/2011 15:56

I would find it very difficult if my partner was like this with another woman. You've decided to 'tolerate' it up till now - well that's your choice.

What I would say/ask is do you think it is possible that your wife is acting out some aspects of her life with this 'safe' person that she would dearly love to have with you? She is flirty, talking about foot massages and other romantic interactions that perhaps aren't happening between the 2 of you?

If you wanted to take anything from this, why not work on bringing some personal intimacy (not necessarily SEX related or intended to lead to sex) back into your relationship. Flirt with her, surprise her with some massage lotion, romance her all over again. I think this is possibly a 'safe' outlet for her (ie he lives far away etc) to indulge her romantic side that has perhaps been lying dormant for some time, having some male attention, feeling attractive & wanted etc. If you can tap into that, you might surprise yourself and her & perhaps your relationship will be revived?

kenobi · 28/01/2011 15:58

She is being aggressive because it's the best form of defence. She knows she's in the wrong so she's hitting out at you.

I don't think you're over-reacting OP. She knows that continuing to email this guy is hurtful to you, but she's still doing it which is pretty poor form. Just because the texts were non-sexual does not mean that what she is doing is ok.

Let me put it another way - I have struggled with giving up smoking. Over Xmas my DH came to me and said that it would mean a lot to him if I could give it up once and for all. I agreed that I would do it for him. I had a ciggie last night and if he had caught me he would have had the right to go mental at me - because I had broken the trust between us. If I had refused to stop that's one thing, but I promised him that I would stop and have not. It's not cool.

I also agree with a PP that this guy is giving her something you aren't. Not that it's your fault, just that he represents freedom/freshness and so on. Take her out, do something different and renew the rapport between you. Then tell her she cannot push her emotional needs towards him and ignore you and that it has to stop.

I'm off to try and give up smoking once and for all Sad

curlymama · 28/01/2011 15:59

Lost, when I said that I didn't mean I though she was right for holding that opinion by the way, I really don't!

I think that in a marriage you should do everything you can to avoid deliberately hurting the other person, and she is simply not doing that.

I missed your post about not wanting to go to councelling, sorry. Still think it would be a good idea though! Smile

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