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to think that surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie?

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LadyOfTheManor · 28/01/2011 12:27

Seriously, unless you're a miner or from a mining family, or Welsh... ok well even if you are, surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie T?

I'm a tad young, I was born in her "reign", but I did my degree in Politics and although I didn't really live under her (it was Major until I was 11) I couldn't see what she did that was SO terrible-let alone the sheer hostility when her name is mentioned here (in Wales!).

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carminaburana · 30/01/2011 18:00

And then there's Cuba.....

BuzzLightBeer · 30/01/2011 18:05

thats not communism. North Korea is a feudal dictatorship, and Cuba, well, probably closer than any other but its a Socialist Republic.

tb · 30/01/2011 18:11

Buzz - I would suggest that you look up the history of the Early Christian Church. The Early Christians lived according to broadly communist principles while awaiting the second coming, believing it to be in the near future.

BuzzLightBeer · 30/01/2011 18:17

thats one interpretation, though many scholars disagree about it.

carminaburana · 30/01/2011 18:21

Buzz - Cuba is a communist country -

carminaburana · 30/01/2011 18:22

Honestly - it is...

melikalikimaka · 30/01/2011 18:35

BTW what is Margaret's condition to date?

BuzzLightBeer · 30/01/2011 18:37

no honestly, being in the Marxist-Leninist tradition they can't identify as a Communist country, its detailed in their constitution that its a Socialist Republic.

Alouiseg · 30/01/2011 18:43

Otherwise known as an economic disaster area. I wonder what the state of play in Cuba will be when Castro shuffles off to the big cigar factory in the sky?

carminaburana · 30/01/2011 18:45

Lol Buzz
please - take it from me, Cuba is communist - with a big C

Alouiseg · 30/01/2011 18:46

If he hasn't already Hmm

BuzzLightBeer · 30/01/2011 18:47

ok, since you know better than their own constitution. Hmm In practice you may be right, but technically, you are wrong.

MoreSpamThanGlam · 30/01/2011 18:49

Carmina, you are being quite patronising to Buzz. Instead of "LOLing", why dont you explain WHY you think it is a communist country with a big C. Because I would like to hear that too...

Alouiseg · 30/01/2011 18:50

I actually thought that Cuba was celebrated as being the only Communist state in the Western Hemisphere. ??

carminaburana · 30/01/2011 18:58

Sorry buzz - I hope you didn't think I was being patronising - I laughed because you said you were a communist - Cuba is probably the only country where communism works relatively well. (IMO) & they are a self described communist country - not like North Korea who are called communist by the media etc.

pascoe28 · 30/01/2011 19:32

I hope those that claim to have champagne on ice etc don't have children.

What frightful examples they will be setting to them if they do.

Regarding my insulting post earlier this morning - apologies. It was a mistake and I'm not proud of it Sad

One thing - a lot of people are jumping on a bandwagon on this issue - very few people on here were actually directly affected by MT (as in miner who lost his job etc) but actually did quite well out of the 80s but now see fit to claim otherwise and/or feel a tad guilty about so doing.

Either way, those looking forward to her death are nasty pieces of work.

BuzzLightBeer · 30/01/2011 19:33

they have communist ideals for sure, and big parts of what they do/have done are great. But, and its a big But, they are not a communist state. They don't call themselves that, its not possible to be an isolated communist state, it doesn't exist in the ideology. And many of the practices are certainly not communist at all.

I don't call myself a communist lightly, I do have a background in socialist politics and I don't pluck this stuff out of the air either. I might just have a clue what I'm talking about.

mathanxiety · 30/01/2011 20:02

'in 1975 my mum left hospital after giving birth to my sister with two full sets of bedding and 24 terry nappies. The midwives almost told her to take it.'

I left hospital in the US with a baby in my arms five times during the 90s, carrying with me sample cans and bottles of three different brands of baby formula 'sponsored' by large multinational corporations who had paid the hospital to plant place their products there for the potential new customers. Bedding and cloth nappies would have been far more useful, not to mention the provision by the hospital of more than one breastfeeding counsellor for a teaching hospital that delivered about 500 babies a week, but apparently neither the hospital nor the companies who make those products saw the potential for profit in items like that, so they didn't bother.

How is it a misspending of money for a health service to provide useful basic necessities for babies?

Cuba, afaik, is the only economy in the Caribbean that is not a disaster area despite the embargo by the US that prevented it from engaging in trade with the world's largest economy. Literacy rates in Cuba are outstanding.

'On the other hand MT realised that you cannot spend your way out of debt.' This is not widely accepted in economist circles, especially right now in the US, which has embarked on a massive spending programme in order to generate a spark in the economy, and where the economy is predicted to grow this year between 3 and 4% if I heard correctly. Take a look at some of the US criticism of the economic bitter pill that Ireland was forced to swallow recently. A lot of very well regarded voices think that a rising tide raises all boats, and that austerity breeds poverty in both the long run and the short run.

Vera Brittain wasn't the only mother who sent her children abroad during WW2 - my mum's cousins from Liverpool spent years living on the farm in Ireland while their father, my grandad's brother, served in the submarine service. They weren't the only British evacuees who were sent 'home' to Ireland by any means, many of them sent in order to avoid being lodged with non-Catholic families in the British countryside. Would you choose solidarity over the safety of your children if you could send them to a place unlikely to be hit by bombs?

Hunger strikes and internment article showing chronology and background. The reinstatement of prisoner of war conditions and political prisoner status was at stake for the prisoners. Since they did not recognise the courts that convicted them of their offences, and fundamentally questioned the legality of the process under which they were arrested, tried and convicted, they believed their convictions were meaningless and that their imprisonment was effectively internment - detention without trial. The first prisoner to participate in the Blanket Protest, the precursor to the Hunger Strikes, in 1976, had been interned up to 1975 and returned to the same prison in 1976.

While Thatcher was indeed not in power during the initial stages of the protest, she presided over the death of the hunger strikers. After it was all over most of the demands of the prisoners were met but without the government publicly admitting the prisoners had achieved political status; violence in the community had escalated astronomically, including the murder of many prison officers. Death and misery and an exponential increase in bitterness, stalemate on the political front and a massive increase in the credibility of the paramilitary forces on both sides were the immediate and lasting legacy of her style and policy in NI.

Peachy · 30/01/2011 20:03

I don;t look forward to anyone's death- she's an old aldy now and her time is voer.

but we were badly affected: we didn;t (we being my family and DH's as we were children / very young adults) benefit in any way at all from what I can see- in fact we were trying to get a start in work as the recession hit and struggled badly, often getting a job for 6 months then losing it when the company folded in a cycle.....

A terrible time if you were a have-not 9and I don;t mean claimant: dad worked his arse off to keep us, 20 days of 16 hour shifts in the busy season).

gordyslovesheep · 30/01/2011 20:05

I have 3 children - hope that helps - they are, obviously, doomed having me as a mother Grin hopefully I wont damage them enough to turn them into Tory voters though poor things x

newwave · 30/01/2011 20:13

Not only do i have a bottle or two put by to celebrate the old hags demise I also have a T Shirt made by a friends Daughter at art school which has a picture of maggie as a zombie with a stake through her and the words "the bitch is dead". I will be wearing it to the celebration party.

I am far from feeling ashamed.

gordyslovesheep · 30/01/2011 20:13

hides behind Newwave who I now love x

pascoe28 · 30/01/2011 20:16

newwave - then you are beyond contempt.

Peachy · 30/01/2011 20:16

(as a random aside mainly to non Tories but I suspect many a Tory could empathise.... all the way through ds2's birthday party today the venue was showing a silent video of an interview with George Osborne..... I mean, who needs that (and as it was bowling and next to the scoreboard we did indeed have to stare at it). Yeeesh)

ManateeEquineOhara · 30/01/2011 20:32

Pascoe - How did anyone do well out of the 80s!? There was no political good in the 80s for anyone to benefit from with Thatcher. Unless you were already rich and had a pathetic dislike of poor people, Welsh, Scottish, Unions etc...like I am guessing you were.
I will not be joining a facebook party for her death etc, if only because she has a living family who did not ask to be born to such a vile woman, but who would be pretty upset by it all. I am certainly not going to judge Newwave though :)

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