To think that really boring people see highly creative people as children?

[Heroine]

I AM JUST SAYING..

I had a weird thing happen, I am quite creative and like decorative stuff and cool quirky things and someone who I thought was on the same wavelength gave me a real dressing down when I showed her some cool japanese quirky notebooks I bought - with that sort of stylised fluffy, hearty, pop=art style, she sais the thought it was childish and unprofessional. (!). i thought it was just fun..

It made me think that all the people who make the rules about what is 'professional' are really just all the really dull tedious unimaginative types and that is why they think creativity is likely to diminish performance - because they can't handle it and it freaks their boring little heads out.

(I know this might seem to conflict with my 'women who run fluffy novelty businesses' thread, but I'm just saying (and not explaining well) that the dull people seem to never be interested in anything, and seem to make the rules, and the people who went wild and got into interestingb things in their teens and 20s but had to droip them because the dull run the world, are seen by the dull people as 'only having childish ideas'.
It seems a bit sad - does anyone see what I mean?? It seems to be getting worse as women have more serious jobs - I get it but as I'm a bit 'consultant-ish' I can ride above it, but it seems that somewhere there is a book that says you can't be clever or get things done or reliable unless you think and dress in a dull boring way.. and that makes no sense to me..

sorry for going on, but I think there somethin in my uncomfortableness at being thought of as childish when I think of myself as an adult who has some sense of humour and creativity.

Am I being unreasonable??

Have you sucked on one too many chuppa chups, hero?

You sound buzzin.

tuutko heathrowilta? o ou, toivottavasti pääset matkaan :)

but just because you think something/one is dull doesn't mean it/they are, I'm certainly not dull, but I did my time with asymetric hair and crazy clothes and quirky/homemade everything when I was at art school and in the few years after it, now I can't be bothered and find I create better in a more monochrome environment.

No. I do not think that smiling, and enjoying design, is childish.

I think that buying stationary aimed at 6 year old girls is childish.

I have not said that being childish is bad.

I have merely said that it is childish.

You seem to have an issue with 'childish' meaning 'bad'.

I do not.

YAB a bit U. One of the most creative people i've met - and I'm talking somebody responsible for some of the images which are part of all of our shared cultural currency - wore the same clothes every day. When quizzed in a joking way on this he opened a wardrobe he kept at work - it had 10 identical outfits in it (and he bought shoes in lots of 10 as well). He said he spent so much of every day having to be creative for his work he just didn't want to have to spend any creative style thought on anything else.

OTOH I also know just as many just as creative people who enjoy pimping all the other aspects of their life.

But maybe I'm talking about people in high-powered creative industries whose creativity is judged on their previous work, not on their choice of notebooks. TBH by the time you get to those positions nobody gives a flying fuck about your pens or your footwear or anything else as long as you deliver.

But I think I've moved away from the OP's question...

Nah, she's from Penge.

Yes but primary schools look like offices these days all mind maps and motivation statements.. what's your point?

FFS it is a notepad. You scribble notes in it then bin it. Who gives a shit what sort of notepad people use.

Hero, somewhere in amongst all your fizzy gobbledegook, you might be touching on some sort of truth.

I assumed from the OP that she is a 6th former doing art A-level and poss one other, & mum is getting a bit worried about how daughter will cope when she leaves home if she spends her student loan on Hello Kitty notebooks rather than food.

But that's just me

oh the guy with the same outfit everyday was not being 'so drained of creativity' he had a creative way to avoid making a decision about what to wear.. that was also a statement in itself.. wake up.. honestly!

I think that you have missed the point about notebooks actullay i didn't say they were like creativity talismans bestowing bursting imagery in the brain of the person holding them.. I just said that i had bought some notepads and someone said that it was childish to buy notepads that amused me.. sheesh!

Oooookay.

This is dull.

Refusing to accept that people have different opinions from your own, and that this isn't wrong, is dull.

Bickering about notebook choices (as your colleague was) - also dull.

Different people find different things dull.

Different people find different things interesting.

I really want to ask you a personal question, but I won't because you'll probably take it as an insult.

Hello Kitty!:) no I am bored of hello kitty. I think miffy still has it though..

It is the boring folk who doggedly hand around coma=panies though isn't it, and that has to shape the culture somehow...

Oh thanks for the interesting personal question not asked. very very useful..:)

I meant making your own mark in the world!

All sounds a bit self-indulgent and look at me tbh

"do you really think that really creative work is done by people in libraries in 1960s worksuits with grey pencils and white A4"

You have such a narrow mind. You really do. It's like a twelve-year-old's idea of what "creative" people do and how they do it ... it's so fixed.

Paring things back to plain, good lines and making them work can be, in your words, "really creative" too. Beautiful, groundbreaking design is often all about simplicity. You keep mentioning Apple .. there you go. I bet nobody there uses ten-a-penny Japanese-printed kids' stationery. Or if they do, they're probably not defining themselves by it.

Hold on - you were the one who made the link between being "highly creative" and notebooks

I live in a place full of 'creatives' who think having a tattoo and smoking weed makes them interesting. I found people in my boring old hometown more interesting as they didn't have to parade their creativity on their sleeve. However, I can understand that someone criticising your taste - a perfectly innocent purchase - is unecessary

Coldtits talks a lot of sense and I want to know what her question is!

Yes but if the concept is a design studio echoing the 1960s library with paired down design and clean lines that's one thing, thinking that you can't work unless your suit is grey is another.

Indeed.It is far more subversive and exciting to explore the inner mind of someone who drives a Ford and shops at tesco but underneath all that IS QUITE SIMPLY INSANE.

Yes but primary schools look like offices these days all mind maps and motivation statements.. what's your point?

Err...I've visited almost every primary school in my borough and not they don't

Well said dirtymartini

Either you're on something or I've been spiked!

Seriously though, you certainly rant like an angry child.
Do you genuinely believe liking colourful notepads makes you creative and interesting??!!

For balance have you any other examples of your high levels of creativity?

I go to meetings about doing creative things with creative people and I wear whatever is clean and fits, and I write in a black squared paperchase notebook, and I draw in a black sketchbook, I think most people do, a lot of 'creatives' are a bit poor and so don't like paying extra for frilly bits, and most go through 100s of sketchpads so don't think alot about what's on the cover of them, I just buy the same brand over and over.