To think that really boring people see highly creative people as children?

[Heroine]

I AM JUST SAYING..

I had a weird thing happen, I am quite creative and like decorative stuff and cool quirky things and someone who I thought was on the same wavelength gave me a real dressing down when I showed her some cool japanese quirky notebooks I bought - with that sort of stylised fluffy, hearty, pop=art style, she sais the thought it was childish and unprofessional. (!). i thought it was just fun..

It made me think that all the people who make the rules about what is 'professional' are really just all the really dull tedious unimaginative types and that is why they think creativity is likely to diminish performance - because they can't handle it and it freaks their boring little heads out.

(I know this might seem to conflict with my 'women who run fluffy novelty businesses' thread, but I'm just saying (and not explaining well) that the dull people seem to never be interested in anything, and seem to make the rules, and the people who went wild and got into interestingb things in their teens and 20s but had to droip them because the dull run the world, are seen by the dull people as 'only having childish ideas'.
It seems a bit sad - does anyone see what I mean?? It seems to be getting worse as women have more serious jobs - I get it but as I'm a bit 'consultant-ish' I can ride above it, but it seems that somewhere there is a book that says you can't be clever or get things done or reliable unless you think and dress in a dull boring way.. and that makes no sense to me..

sorry for going on, but I think there somethin in my uncomfortableness at being thought of as childish when I think of myself as an adult who has some sense of humour and creativity.

Am I being unreasonable??

I am a tax accountant, knit my own stripey socks, and make bijou flower badges out of felt (at Guides - not cupcake bunting shop material).

Where do I fit in this polarised Boho / Drone world?

I used to think I was a "creative" type then I discovered a real skill for analytical work. I have serious notebooks for appropriate occasions and nice ones for my stuff. I am neither a dullard, nor highly creative but somewhere in the middle and you, OP, protest too much. You are being as judgy pants as the people you profess to be judged by.

I find creative ways to use analysis within my business - I am still a very business based person. True creativity is different to artistry or quirkyness - it is in your view of your world and perception. Nothing to do with your job role or skill set whatsoever.

Itshawooluff - you are clearly unique and misunderstood. I think you should start a thread about it.

But best to shout in capitals "I AM JUST SAYING" in case there is any doubt about your intentions.

Dh is a commercial barrister (how DULL) but often thinks of a creative path through the masses of paperwork towards a successful outcome for his clients. And yes he works within the rules of his profession...yawn.

Do you think accountants that practice creative accountancy have little flowers all over their spread sheets?

I am creative, I aaam.... I aaaaaam
waaahh(stamps foot).

I have little flowers all over my court papers as I am a compulsive doodler.

The problem is I am a rubbish, compulsive doodler.

ahh but kungfu - they are YOUR doodles and therefore creative in themselves - good is entirely based on perception

What a thread about nothing. You sound like one of those blokes who thinks odd socks and a comedy tie makes him 'eccentric' when actually it makes him dull as shite. People who label themselves as creative or eccentric generally aren't, sorry.

No. I promise they are rubbish. I must be the only person in the world who can't even make a stick figure turn out right.

It is so bad it is almost an art form in its own right.

It's all about context and expectation.

If you have a notebook and fluffy pen in your own home that's your business.

If you are in a senior position in your company and displayed or used fluffy notebooks on your desk or in meetings I can see how your boss may question your suitability for a senior position.

I've never had an unsuitable notebook incident, but I have been pulled up three times for improper attire in court.

Strangely none of those times were the days I wore ugg boots with my robe (forgot my shoes) or flip flops with my suit (8 1/2 months pregnant, hot and bolshy).

but WHY does a fluffy pencil mean that you would be questionable material for a senior position - has that tier got so dominated by the dullards?? I note that there are a few Drobohones on here protesting their altered state. That is just expections proving a rule... IMESHO

It's not the fluffy pencil Heroine, it's all the other silly nonsense you're spouting. If I worked with you and you were constantly walking around waving your fluffy pens and wacky notebooks and telling me you are highly creative and not like the dullards who dress from Top Shop I would not promote you, because you are SO ANNOYING!

oooh! I see, nice objective reasons then.. nice. [bshock]

It's probably the fact that you made such a fucking big deal about your notebook in the first place OP. I bet you twat around the office skiving off half your work because you're too much of a 'free spirit' to do your own filing or take 'boring' messages for other people.

It's true enough that some exceptionally talented people can be a bit impractical WRT everyday life (I used to know a maths genius who was more than capable of going out in the snow having forgotten to put shoes on, for instance), but a box full of unpublished and probably unpublishable unfinished novels written in sparkly ink on patterned paper and a tendency to blow your own trumpet very loudly doesn;t make you one of them.

I do a creative job (I write stuff and it gets published. For money)

It's never occurred to me to describe myself as 'creative', any more than I'd call myself 'charming'.

These things are for other people to identify, not oneself. Calling yourself 'cool' and 'quirky' seems pretty desperate, to me.

And if they're not buying into the notebooks image, maybe it's time to express your creativity some other way, as it's clearly important to you what other people think.

I've tried laughing in a tinkabel way randomly so people realise I am thinking on a higher level, but that gets me even more funny looks than the notebooks... It is funny that dull people often trot out the 'clever people have no common sense' BS.. what that really means is 'there is a general rule how to do stuff that we never change - you do it differently so therefore it 'proves' you are really stupid. Going out in the snow without shoes isn't necessarily 'forgetting' its just not giving a chuff about the dopey majority view and seeing what happens - that's what makes people successful in academic stuff - doing what everyone else does is hardly going to allow the discvery of new knowledge is it?

oh not to mention that its usually a racist view 'oh she's so clever but she doesn't even have a kettle' makes sense in the uk but kettles are really very much a UK thing.

It's not having a fluffy pencil case that is the problem Heroine - it's the going on about it and acting all surprised when someone tells you it might be perceived as childish.

I haven't got a kettle btw. I've got a tap that boiling water comes out of.

Frankly the idea of a TinkERbell laugh makes me want to slap you. If you must be a fluffy wee cutiepie at least spell it correctly. Or is that too dull for the clever highly creative sparkler that scorns warm feet as mainstream?

BTW we have kettles in Holland too.

No, going out in the snow without shoes is stupid. Unless you think that getting chillblains is just sooooo boring and conventional that it won't happen to you.

is this all a big joke heroine? you're coming out with such wierd things I can't help but think you must be taking the piss...