To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

oh..yaNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNbu. so not.

Or maybe a panel of middle class wi members could interview all applicants before padding judgment on whether they are worthy of state help.

I believe that's called jobcentre plus
You go there and look threatening and swear at the staff, they give you money.
Turn up having worked for 15 years and take your turn, smile occasionally and be polite and they don't.
The logic is astounding.

Yes, lets pretend they dont exist BeerTricks

exactly beertricks. I'm pretty sure we could all name someone that is the person OP talks about, but i am also pretty sure that we could ALL also name someone of the same age (because i fear this is aimed at young mums) who is nothing at all like that and claims because life has dealt a few nasty ones and is trying to get themselves out of the dependancy cycle. then there are the ones of the same age who are still at school/uni or working.

Fucking moron number one to you, Shirley. If you please.

I thought it was scrubbers? Or is it NHS managers? Or schools?

It changes so fast.

i went to school with a girl who has never ever worked a day in her life. Told her daughter to get knocked up young so could get council flat..educated her on how to play the system (proudly told me this). Hence she is now a very young grandma, wonder if grandaughter will receive same 'tutorage'..hmmm

I don't want to know about why we are in such a dreadful financial situation.

I want to blame that person over there who appears to be not working and not actively dead.

I would like to point out that I am most definitely neither wealthy nor middle-class. I am not well-educated and when I was at school, myself and my class-mates were repeatedly told by teachers (who had given up trying to teach us anything) that none of us would ever have jobs. A few of the girls did take the decision to get pregnant deliberately, but most of us didn't, we just went out there and tried harder. What was the difference between us and the ones who chose to get pregnant? We had the same education, we lived in the same area, our parents were similar people and we had access to the same opportunities.

I too was unemployed for a while and had to claim benefits. Did I choose to delibarately get pregnant? NO. I used the time to try to gain new skills and qualifications to help me to be more employable so that I could come off benefits as soon as possible.

My DH was the child of single parent - his mother was abandoned by her husband when the children were small. He never sent her any money and she didn't claim benefits, she worked. Education beyond the statutory minimum was not an option for DH, his only option was to try to get a job asap to help out with family finances - with minimal qualifications at a time when unemployment was running at 3 million. He didn't just give up, either.

We started out in similar circumstances to many of these girls - our expectations and prospects were not so great either.

I know I'm being rude - very rude - but these girls (who, I repeat, are in a minority and not representative of single parents in general) are taking the rest of society for a ride.

DH now works for the local council. His job involves visiting tenants in their homes to examine the state of the property so that a schedule of repairs can be made. Most of the people he visits, he says, are good, hard-working people. They are proud, polite and pay their way, like most of us. But there are a few, always the same kind of young women, who really take the mick. He will turn up for a pre-arranged appointment only to find that they are just going out of the door. Do they say "I'm sorry, something's come up, I've got to go out?" No. It's usually "F... off, I haven't got time to see you today." Of those that do let him in a fair proportion will complain about the state of the property they are in - not that it is in bad repair, but that it is filthy and what are the council going to do about it? If he suggested that they use some of their benefits to buy some Ajax and vclean it themselves he'd get the sack.

I would never suggest that anyone who genuinely needed benefits should not receive them. But there are few who know how to "play the system" and engineer their circumstances to fit the criteria.

P.S. I don't read The Mail or The Sun.

YANBU.

Much as people scrabble around desperately trying to be PC - "What about the fathers yada yada" - it IS true that a certain proportion of single mothers have chosen it as a lifestyle.

They've got pregnant deliberately, and don't much care whether the sperm donor hangs around. They know ALL about benefits, and their rights - usually because their entire family have made a living from knowing about benefits/rights.

The skill of "Milking the system and sticking two fingers up at decent people" is handed down through the generations.

I know, and know of, plenty.

I asked you a question up there. I note you haven't bothered to answer it.

I expect your hooves are interfering with your typing.

I think thay should all be given a job, with a salary. Send them to work in some of the war-torn or famine ridden areas of the world, where people genuinely have no prospects.

What an absolute waste of time and money the education system provided for in this country is if we can't make a difference for so many people after all these years.

I'm sorry to point out that this is the price you pay for having a welfare state. You get rid of the laws of nature and natural selection. In the wild, crap mothers don't manage to raise their off-spring. It ends there. It's an uncomfortable truth, but there it is, if people stopped shying away from talking straight about these things and stopped trying to hide behind pc clap trap we might get somewhere.

I live very close to supported housing that mostly contains seemingly very young girls and their babies. They no doubt seem younger to me because I am old but heigh ho.
Anyway, I was chatting with a woman who was asking me about my house and she expressed the view that the council shouldn't be wasting money on girls like that, getting every benefit going. I then asked her about a girl who is a beautician at a place we both frequent who left school at 16 when she became pregnant just before her gcses.
Said woman expressed how plucky she was and what a marvellous mum.

We had a short disagreement when I explained that in my view the girls in the building were exactly the same as marvellous mum girl but with a supportive family, cash and an education.
It seems to me that to be born into an environment without aspiration is the very worst thing in the world

We couldn't get to see eye to eye on that one

I might stick two fingers up at decent people in a minute.

Ok OP - so where does it leave the "scrubbers" kids if you cut the mothers off?

Shall I tell you what I find lovely?

All these lovely brand new posters. I think it's lovely.

lovely

I stick seven fingers up to indecent people.

They love it.

I don't want to know about why we are in such a dreadful financial situation.

I want to blame that person over there who appears to be not working and not actively dead.

so do i

But take it on the chin, don't you just feel horribly sad for people who have no idea how to do anything except claim.

No hope, no prospects, no aspiration, no way out except a lottery ticket.

Do you not wonder how awful life must be that that is what you settle for, that isvwhat you want for your child?

I don't want people punished for having reached the conclusion that benefits is it. The more society looks down on them the less hope their is.

I heard that if you're a scrubber or whatever, then you've usually got a staffie and if it bites you then it locks it's jaws and the only way to get it off is to stick a finger up it's arse.

Coincidence?

I think not.